Drinking at home = driver's license suspension

[VladtheImpaler]

This is a symptom of creeping tyranny by bureaucracy. If you extend this logic to its logical conclusion, it would in the interest of society if all black males in the vicinity of Jane and Finch were rounded up, because it would certainly reduce the rate of violent crime in general and the murder rate in particular.

[flylock shox]

And the mandatory reporting policy may not even significantly affect MVA rates.

This appears to be a terrible breach of privacy and a frankly shocking abuse of state power.

If I were a class action lawyer, I'd be cocking an eyebrow right about now.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

You can lose it for being drunk and driving a ride on lawnmower, or even a bicycle.

Please don't drink and operate a vehicle. Regardless of how the licensing of the vehicle is done.

Friend of mine lost his drivers licence for driving a golf cart impaired. It was at chestermere golf course, he was kidding around on the cart where you cross the road between the 9th and 10th tees and the cops walked up on the tee box and charged him. It cost him 4k to get off to no avail.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by T@T

Friend of mine lost his drivers licence for driving a golf cart impaired. It was at chestermere golf course, he was kidding around on the cart where you cross the road between the 9th and 10th tees and the cops walked up on the tee box and charged him. It cost him 4k to get off to no avail.

Well, he WAS effing around with the cart. Unless the cops were there to breathalyze every person who drove by.

[FanIn80]

I'm finished with this discussion, but I really wish some of you people would educate yourselves on what constitutes the medical disease known as Alcoholism.

I'm seeing some pretty ignorant stuff in this thread. Not ignorant as in rude, ignorant as in uninformed. Especially the bit about how Alcoholism is somehow controllable. Uncontrollable is pretty much one of the primary characteristics of the disease.

I get the impression some of you think I'm of the opinion you should be arrested if you have a beer in your living room. That's about as far away from my argument as you can possibly get. We're talking about practicing Alcoholics. There are only 2 or 3 provinces in this country where doctors aren't required to report patients who exhibit medical signs of Alcoholism. Alberta happens to be one of them, yes, but we're in the minority. It is no different than reporting parents and children who show signs of family abuse.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm finished with this discussion, but I really wish some of you people would educate yourselves on what constitutes the medical disease known as Alcoholism.

I'm seeing some pretty ignorant stuff in this thread. Not ignorant as in rude, ignorant as in uninformed. Especially the bit about how Alcoholism is somehow controllable. Uncontrollable is pretty much one of the primary characteristics of the disease.

From WIKI, maximum reccomended weekly intake of alcohol:

Canada: 2/day; 14/week (@13.6g = 27.2g/day, 190g/week)

I'm fairly certain that there are a hell of a lot of people on CP who regularly drink way more than that in a week but can still choose to not drive drunk.

[Bobblehead]

I just don't like the "guilty without having done anything wrong" aspect of this case. Perhaps she is an alcoholic. But unless there is some sort of proof that she is driving impaired she shouldn't have her drivers license taken away. If she was to get caught drinking and driving AND show the markers for alcoholism, then perhaps I can see an argument. But in this case, someone with a clean driving record has lost her license without doing anything wrong.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I just don't like the "guilty without having done anything wrong" aspect of this case. Perhaps she is an alcoholic. But unless there is some sort of proof that she is driving impaired she shouldn't have her drivers license taken away. If she was to get caught drinking and driving AND show the markers for alcoholism, then perhaps I can see an argument. But in this case, someone with a clean driving record has lost her license without doing anything wrong.

I have no problem admitting that the fact she wasn't caught driving makes it a grey area, but if Alcoholism is listed as one of the medical conditions that prohibits a person from legally obtaining a license, than that's the way it is.

I'm not sure how to look this up, but I wonder if a doctor is also required to report a patient who has one of the other medical conditions listed earlier? If not, then that's probably the only case that could be made, as it would indicate discrimination.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by fotze

We are arguing that that should not be the law. The law should be that the doctor doesn't report anything, unless it's a communicable dangerous disease.

What if your ip provider had to report pen use because most sex offenders watch porn, and this is not found inane contract you sign with the Internet company.

Well, the whole prior notification thing is a different story altogether. It kind of goes back to the argument everyone had when the police first started using radar guns.

Some people think they shouldn't be allowed to use them.
Some people think they should be allowed to use them, but only if you're also allowed to use detectors.
Some people think that you should just not speed at all and then you don't have to worry about it.

Edit: Note that I'm only talking about prior notification here. In other words, should a doctor be required to tell you before they draw your blood that they would have to report certain findings.

[4X4]

WTF is 'pen use'?

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

From WIKI, maximum reccomended weekly intake of alcohol:

Canada: 2/day; 14/week (@13.6g = 27.2g/day, 190g/week)

I'm fairly certain that there are a hell of a lot of people on CP who regularly drink way more than that in a week but can still choose to not drive drunk.

Yes, because they are not suffering from alcoholism.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I have no problem admitting that the fact she wasn't caught driving makes it a grey area, but if Alcoholism is listed as one of the medical conditions that prohibits a person from legally obtaining a license, than that's the way it is.

I'm not sure how to look this up, but I wonder if a doctor is also required to report a patient who has one of the other medical conditions listed earlier? If not, then that's probably the only case that could be made, as it would indicate discrimination.

The case could be made that the doctor-patient confidentiality was breached. This doctor could have just talked about and treated this "issue" with his patient and given her treatment. Whether or not she drives is irrelevant.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by 4X4

WTF is 'pen use'?

Originally Posted by fotze

What if your ip provider had to report penis use

Typo

Fixed it.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Yes, because they are not suffering from alcoholism.

Drinking 'way more' than 14 units of alcohol per week could be an argument that in fact, yes, they are suffering from alcoholism but can choose to not drive drunk. Even if they cannot choose to not drink.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I suppose people with flying licenses lose that too.

Nope, and vice versa is also not true.

I went to a seminar during my flight training and they showed a video of a guy who flew in under the influence. His flying wasn't too bad, but when he got out he could hardly walk he was so drunk. He was promptly reported and lost his flying, but not driving licence. When asked why he did it, he said, "I was too drunk to drive, so I had to fly".

A pilot's license in not based on having a drivers license, and losing one doesn't result in losing the other. The restrictions on alcohol consumption while flying are much stricter (0% + no flying within 8 hours of consuming alcohol), and generally monitored more closely. I was flying solo anywhere I wanted in Canada before I had my drivers.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

I was flying solo anywhere I wanted in Canada before I had my drivers.

Now that is really freaking cool! Good for you, man!

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Drinking 'way more' than 14 units of alcohol per week could be an argument that in fact, yes, they are suffering from alcoholism but can choose to not drive drunk. Even if they cannot choose to not drink.

It would make them heavy drinkers or maybe alcohol abusers depending on their pattern of consumption.

That is different from alcohol dependance, which is specifically the issue that the lady in the article had her license suspended for. Abuse and dependance are two distinct things clinically. Nobody flagged her for getting wasted at a wake in this case.

Splitting hairs over her pattern of behavior and overall medical condition shouldn't detract from the bigger question here though, which is how or why the government is able to run a program like this.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Nope, and vice versa is also not true.

I went to a seminar during my flight training and they showed a video of a guy who flew in under the influence. His flying wasn't too bad, but when he got out he could hardly walk he was so drunk. He was promptly reported and lost his flying, but not driving licence. When asked why he did it, he said, "I was too drunk to drive, so I had to fly".

A pilot's license in not based on having a drivers license, and losing one doesn't result in losing the other. The restrictions on alcohol consumption while flying are much stricter (0% + no flying within 8 hours of consuming alcohol), and generally monitored more closely. I was flying solo anywhere I wanted in Canada before I had my drivers.

The 8 hours from bottle to throttle is a transport canada rule but every company that I know of in Canada says 12. Also if you do get a DUI driving a car transport canada can test you every 60 days for a year in order to keep your pilots license.