Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I mean, we agree. But whether it was Dube or the Flames that framed it as a mental health leave and it's really a mental health and face the consequences of your crappy actions leave, I wish they would have left the mental health part of their statement out. As I said in an earlier post, and I think another poster did as well, it minimizes the struggles that someone like Kylington has been through, in my opinion.

I am not a fan of all this type of speculation but who knows, perhaps you have an employee that you know is having personal struggles or potentially has an issue with the law and is emotionally unstable or threatening to hurt themselves?



I don't really think now is the time to analyze a press release from an employer.

[taxbuster]

Now pause for a moment…..and consider the unfortunate young woman victimized by a group of overly entitled “boys”. Her life and well-being is likely in tatters and she isn’t making millions annually in front of adoring crowds.

You might think about how you would feel if she were your sister or daughter…

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Locke

If I were him and were involved? I'd have stayed in Switzerland.

"Come get me!"

Be pretty hard to stay in Europe once your visa and income was cutoff

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

My guess is that Dube wasn't actually involved but he was one of the players who joked about the incident afterwards. This is total speculation based on the smoke I'm seeing.

There are several levels to potential involvement:
- The instigator. The one who took her back to the room and started everything
- Those that were directly involved in the acts
- Those that were there, knew what was happening, and didn't intervene
- Those that were there, didn't know what was happening at the time, but learned afterwards and have been part of covering it up
- Those that weren't there at all

And within that, there would be areas of involvement that the law would be involved with, and other areas where the NHL and teams need to make decisions about how to handle.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Now pause for a moment…..and consider the unfortunate young woman victimized by a group of overly entitled “boys”. Her life and well-being is likely in tatters and she isn’t making millions annually in front of adoring crowds.

You might think about how you would feel if she were your sister or daughter…

Pretty sure everyone has thought about this. Don't think a single soul sympathises with the players in this situation. It's a reprehensible act that will lead to all kinds of consequences, including jail time.

Not quite sure what you're drilling at.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Locke

If I were him and were involved? I'd have stayed in Switzerland.

"Come get me!"

Not for long.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Now pause for a moment…..and consider the unfortunate young woman victimized by a group of overly entitled “boys”. Her life and well-being is likely in tatters and she isn’t making millions annually in front of adoring crowds.

You might think about how you would feel if she were your sister or daughter…

^ I don’t need to be related to her to know that the allegations are disgusting and horrific and that the poor victims life was significantly affected by this. I get the feeling pretty much everyone agrees with that. This shouldn’t happen to anybody.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Now pause for a moment…..and consider the unfortunate young woman victimized by a group of overly entitled “boys”. Her life and well-being is likely in tatters and she isn’t making millions annually in front of adoring crowds.

You might think about how you would feel if she were your sister or daughter…

Are people taking a different view.

I think that most in here are pro-victim.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Anything less than full and complete cooperation with the London Police and Henein Hutchison over the last five and a half years means that Dube is done in the NHL. It is obvious from independent reporting that he refused to hand over his phone when asked to do so repeatedly. I'm as big a Flames fan as anyone, but I'm sorry, cheering for someone who helped to cover up a gang rape is a bridge too far.

Agreed there's likely plenty of blame to go around far beyond the 5 arrested and that may well include Dube. But I'm not willing to assume anything about anyone without more evidence.

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by Locke

If I were him and were involved? I'd have stayed in Switzerland.

"Come get me!"

End result would be the same, Canada and Switzerland have an agreed extradition treaty.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Then become an international fugitive?

I'm just sayin'...it worked for Roman Polanski under very similar circumstances...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Are people taking a different view.

I think that most in here are pro-victim.

My female coworker said it was the victim’s fault this morning. I was pretty shocked.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I mean, we agree. But whether it was Dube or the Flames that framed it as a mental health leave and it's really a mental health and face the consequences of your crappy actions leave, I wish they would have left the mental health part of their statement out. As I said in an earlier post, and I think another poster did as well, it minimizes the struggles that someone like Kylington has been through, in my opinion.

The problem with your argument is that the Flames would need Dube to explain why he is suffering from mental health issues. That's not how it works. If he requested mental health leave and this is supported by a letter from an appropriate health professional, then he's on leave. Period. So you can be sure that he really is legitimately on mental health leave.

WHY he is on leave is no one's business but his own. We can speculate, the Flames can speculate, but no decisions can be made regarding granting mental health leave based on speculation. Of course, it looks bad, but the Flames can't start hedging the messages without real information. Let's pretend that he isn't involved, then would we bash the Flames for leading us on with a more ambiguous statement?

I also don't understand why we would start comparing speculated reasons for mental health leave. Do you know the reason behind Kylington's mental health struggles? Do you know if they are "better" reasons? What exactly has he gone through that is being minimized?

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

My female coworker said it was the victim’s fault this morning. I was pretty shocked.

Jesus. There's victim blaming and then there's that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bonded

My female coworker said it was the victim’s fault this morning. I was pretty shocked.

Jesus ####ing Christ

What is wrong with people.

[Meelapo]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Now pause for a moment…..and consider the unfortunate young woman victimized by a group of overly entitled “boys”. Her life and well-being is likely in tatters and she isn’t making millions annually in front of adoring crowds.

You might think about how you would feel if she were your sister or daughter…

Thank you for posting this. It’s disappointing, though not unexpected, to see how some posters are treating this act and the subsequent steps in the process as a joke. Whether a Flame was involved or not - to do something like this is unimaginable. Real people were affected negatively by this.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

London police look like absolute trash in all of this. They initially closed their investigation in February 2019. Opened it back up in 2022. Embarrassing when the NHL and bad publicity forces you to do your job properly ( with the assistance of other investigators who are more competent than you) 5 years after the fact. Heads should roll but you know they won't.

Unfortunately it's not only the London police that need to be pushed into doin there jobs

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[cam_calderon]

The fact Hockey Canada thought this could be dealt with just by financial means is sickening.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Bonded

My female coworker said it was the victim’s fault this morning. I was pretty shocked.

That attitude is more common than you might think, as shocking as it is.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There are several levels to potential involvement:
- The instigator. The one who took her back to the room and started everything
- Those that were directly involved in the acts
- Those that were there, knew what was happening, and didn't intervene
- Those that were there, didn't know what was happening at the time, but learned afterwards and have been part of covering it up
- Those that weren't there at all

And within that, there would be areas of involvement that the law would be involved with, and other areas where the NHL and teams need to make decisions about how to handle.

And don't forget those who lied about it for years and use their position to try and bury it.