The New American Politics thread

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

But after today maybe they finally realize they are the suckers in the room. That they are the marks. And maybe they finally will show a spine and call him out on all his lies rather than just take them, and actually push him harder in interviews. No more Matt Lauering basically.

Sure man. That's definitely going to happen. You just keep dreaming that dream.

Or maybe they'll cower again and prove they are Trump supporters favorite word: ####s.

I thought this referred only to conservatives they think are limp-wristed?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Which is why today might actually end up totally backfiring for Trump. Remember it's the media who's been on their knees for Trump for a very long time now. A few days ago with Trump's childcare plan as a textbook example: he says Hillary has no plan, when in fact she has a much more detailed plan on her website than he does. Does the media call him out on that lie? Nope, they just let him perpetuate it. He's been allowed to get away with a staggering amount of lies that the media refuses to call him on.

But after today maybe they finally realize they are the suckers in the room. That they are the marks. And maybe they finally will show a spine and call him out on all his lies rather than just take them, and actually push him harder in interviews. No more Matt Lauering basically. Or maybe they'll cower again and prove they are Trump supporters favorite word: ####s.

You think their presentation method with a focus on drawing ratings is going to change because John King says they were fooled?

Media outlets have been reporting on Trumps issues, the WaPo, the Times, it's not not happening, it's just totally ineffective.

The media and the Clinton campaign are continuing deeper into the trap.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by peter12

It wasn't about promoting the hotel. It was about promoting two key messages: I am a successful businessman who has actually built things here in America, and I employ normal Americans. He even gets a shot in for vets.

Quite a good move, I think.

Trump and his campaign, whether successful or not, will be a fascinating case study in political circles. It is such an unorthodox approach. I hope that when this is all done (maybe when Trump is on his death bed) Trump produces a "tell all" which addresses whether or not he was just trolling everyone and using his run for business purposes and whether or not he actually wants to be President.

I'm still not convinced that Trump actually wants to be President. I think this all spiralled out of control and Trump is just riding the wave with no idea of what is going on.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by nik-

You think their presentation method with a focus on drawing ratings is going to change because John King says they were fooled?

Media outlets have been reporting on Trumps issues, the WaPo, the Times, it's not not happening, it's just totally ineffective.

The media and the Clinton campaign are continuing deeper into the trap.

Trust in the American media remains at historic lows. If anything, the fact that Trump "fooled" the media will galvanize even more support.

Most people see the networks for what they really are: hysterical, headline-baiting entertainment outfits.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by nik-

You think their presentation method with a focus on drawing ratings is going to change because John King says they were fooled?

Media outlets have been reporting on Trumps issues, the WaPo, the Times, it's not not happening, it's just totally ineffective.

The media and the Clinton campaign are continuing deeper into the trap.

And how do you change that exactly? You say the Hillary has to start focusing on "the positives", but what ####ing difference will that make if the media won't cover it anyway? And actually the NYT has been an abject failure this election, they've been a disaster, hence why Krugman trolled them with his op-ed not too long ago. Really we should just let David Farenthold and Kurt Eichenwald control the media from here on out, they're the only ones who've done their goddamn jobs this election.

[White Out 403]

well, nate silvers polling models are showing this race tightening.

if trump pulls this off, the idiots who voted for clinton over sanders have only themselves to blame. they nominated the most unlikable person possible with the trustworthiness of a cockroach.

jesus. 59% according to silver, down from 80% from just what, 2 weeks ago?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The ~80% forecast was basically the result of the Conventions. When the parties themselves dictate what the voters see - that is, when the GOP puts their best foot forward and then the democrats do - polls move toward Clinton. When the news does what they do, wall-to-wall outrageousness to try to garner ratings, polls move toward Trump. I'm interested to see what the debates do.

Just remain calm, realize that you live in Canada, and remember that no matter what happens, we'll all survive it.

... um, Probably.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The ~80% forecast was basically the result of the Conventions. When the parties themselves dictate what the voters see - that is, when the GOP puts their best foot forward and then the democrats do - polls move toward Clinton. When the news does what they do, wall-to-wall outrageousness to try to garner ratings, polls move toward Trump. I'm interested to see what the debates do.

Just remain calm, realize that you live in Canada, and remember that no matter what happens, we'll all survive it.

... um, Probably.

that lead continued well after the convention bounce was expected to drop though. and this isnt the direction sane people want to see the polling go. clinton is legit tanking right now.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Another "calm down" reminder, but Hillary has had the worst month of her campaign and Trump the best of his, and they're basically tied and she'd probably still win if the election were held today. So even with everything being a disaster for her, she's still in decent shape. So no need to find any bridges to jump off yet. It's all about the moderators now, if Trump is allowed to lie with impunity in the debates then yes it's looking like he will win. If he's pushed every time he lies, we know he'll meltdown in the debates and that will be that.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

well, nate silvers polling models are showing this race tightening.

if trump pulls this off, the idiots who voted for clinton over sanders have only themselves to blame. they nominated the most unlikable person possible with the trustworthiness of a cockroach.

jesus. 59% according to silver, down from 80% from just what, 2 weeks ago?

I realize that you're still sore over Sanders losing but he would be doing worse. You don't understand that the word socialist is dirtier in America than anything else that's been discussed so far, nevermind that he's even older than these two. The Bern was a pipe dream.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

People are still focusing on the dumb, awful #### that Trump does like they think it's going to matter. It obviously doesn't or we wouldn't even be in this situation. I legitimately feel like this constant barrage of "OMG LOOK WHAT HE DID" is actually hardening his support.

Clinton better get her #### in gear and people better start focusing on the positives of her platform if they want to change things. What they're doing is not working.

Yep. Gaffes haven't hurt Trump yet and they aren't going to start hurting him now. It doesn't matter how the media covers him - the people he's appealing to hate and distrust the media anyway.

Clinton needs to find a way to appeal to economically insecure white voters who have a lot of anxiety about the future. Pointing out Trump's lies will do nothing to achieve that, and will likely make those people even more resolved to back him out of sheer bloody-mindedness. Millions of people are going to vote for Trump not because they like him, but because he's a bomb to blow up the establishment - or at least make the establishment take notice that they're desperately unhappy.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I realize that you're still sore over Sanders losing but he would be doing worse. You don't understand that the word socialist is dirtier in America than anything else that's been discussed so far, nevermind that he's even older than these two. The Bern was a pipe dream.

Nevermind the anti-American portrait they'd be able to paint against him. A nationalist against a guy who was kicking it with the Sandinistas in the 80's? Yeah that's not ending well.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I realize that you're still sore over Sanders losing but he would be doing worse. You don't understand that the word socialist is dirtier in America than anything else that's been discussed so far, nevermind that he's even older than these two. The Bern was a pipe dream.

I'm really not sore over it, at least how you think I am. I've jumped on the Clinton bandwagon since the convention actually. But the polled and demonstrable scorn for Clinton the American public has can't be ignored. This guy Trump is a total clown and the fact her numbers are tanking 2 months before the election should be quite a concern, and I truly believe if Sanders was the opponent we'd be looking at a much firmer lead

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And how do you change that exactly? You say the Hillary has to start focusing on "the positives", but what ####ing difference will that make if the media won't cover it anyway? And actually the NYT has been an abject failure this election, they've been a disaster, hence why Krugman trolled them with his op-ed not too long ago. Really we should just let David Farenthold and Kurt Eichenwald control the media from here on out, they're the only ones who've done their goddamn jobs this election.

The media isn't covering the "positives" because Clinton isn't talking. She hasn't given a press conference since 2015 and rarely takes questions that are off script.

Trump puts himself out in front of every single camera out there, so he gets a heck of a lot more face time.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Nevermind the anti-American portrait they'd be able to paint against him. A nationalist against a guy who was kicking it with the Sandinistas in the 80's? Yeah that's not ending well.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The media isn't covering the "positives" because Clinton isn't talking. She hasn't given a press conference since 2015 and rarely takes questions that are off script.

Trump puts himself out in front of every single camera out there, so he gets a heck of a lot more face time.

Yep. Just what I was going to post. The Democrats don't really have a much of a candidate. No whining about how deplorable Trump is (and he is, he really, really is) will change the fact that Clinton is basically comatose, and Trump is not.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yep. Just what I was going to post. The Democrats don't really have a much of a candidate. No whining about how deplorable Trump is (and he is, he really, really is) will change the fact that Clinton is basically comatose, and Trump is not.

She's a truly terrible candidate. *sigh*

So glad I'm Canadian.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You just can't help yourself, can you?

No offense, but you just don't understand American politics do you? Bernie kicking it with anti-American socialists is a major problem in American politics, even if you'd like to think it isn't.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

No offense, but you just don't understand American politics do you? Bernie kicking it with anti-American socialists is a major problem in American politics, even if you'd like to think it isn't.

Would it be any worse than the litany of sins committed by Trump and Clinton?

[nik-]

If Clinton loses, does history remember her as top 3 worst campaigner seeking the highest office?