The New American Politics thread

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by peter12

Move to Mexico? Profit?

I think that a party platform that successfully demonstrates how power can effectively be moved to the local level in a sustainable and equitable manner would be very successful.

holy #### peter, are you sure you're retired?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

I am not pointing at one party or another as being the only one corrupt. I was only posting about the current leak. If the RNC gets hacked in the future I will gladly be posting that as well.

Bad press and getting people to care are what drives change. To a Canadian some of these practiices are news. Is there no benefit to shining lights on inherently corrupt practices, especially ones that are hell of illegal in almost every other modernized country? Or has the American public become so polarized and apathetic that this will no longer be an issue? Has it really become an Idiocracy?

#Electrolytes

Yes, but the double standard is unbelievably appalling.
You mean like when the Bush administration used a pprivate server and deleted 22 million emails despite orders to save them, then refused a congessional subpoena to turn them over?

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/g...ls-497373.html

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Yes, but the double standard is unbelievably appalling.
You mean like when the Bush administration used a pprivate server and deleted 22 million emails despite orders to save them, then refused a congessional subpoena to turn them over?

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/g...ls-497373.html

That's the thing. The issues being pointed out with the DNC are pretty much problems with politics in general. Even the donations to appointments correlation and stock portfolios, I would be shocked if the GOP isn't doing the same thing. If the intent is to point out the the Democrats are no angels, well I think everyone knows that already.

The donations to appointments thing looks even less like an issue when you consider some of the top fundraisers weren't given appointments.

BTW, what is this Dr. Oz thing all about?

[Ozy_Flame]

Does Donald have a position on Keystone XL and other pipeline projects? I suspect he's probably onboard as long as it's a good deal.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

It's not that there's nothing to complain about--it's that both sides are equally guilty. We just aren't getting leaked emails from the RNC, which I'd imagine contain just as much damning information (and potentially more, given the documents found while investigating NC's attempt to suppress voting). It's a corrupt, ugly system and no one is denying that, but it's the system we're stuck functioning within, so why blame one party when the other does the same?




Until we can get money out of politics, this is never going to happen. A candidate like that wouldn't have the money to go head-to-head with the GOP/DNC and would stand no chance in a federal election.

1) Third party candidates need to rally votes in local elections first--at county and state levels. If independent politicians could get a foothold at the level of state legislatures and then in Congress/House, they would stand a better chance of changing politics in America. They can't keep waiting until Presidential election years to push someone forward, they need to work on lower levels for a long time before they can start any real attempt at gaining the White House.

2) The GOP wants to further hamstring campaign finance laws, which would take this problem and dig it deeper into the workings of American politics. At least Democrats pay lip service to wanting to limit the effects of Citizens United, etc. Whether they'll actually make changes is yet to be seen, but the GOP platform explicitly states that it wants to allow for more private, secret funding of campaigns, not less, which puts more power in the hands of lobbyists, corporations, and the ultra-wealthy, who don't need more of a voice in Washington.

Definitely agree on the 3rd party. THe problem with 3rd party at the presidential level is the electoral college. A non majority puts it in the hands of the house. To get a 3rd party elected president would require them to control 50% of 50% of the states congressmen.

They have absolutely no chance of making an impact even if they get into the 30% range.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Does Donald have a position on Keystone XL and other pipeline projects? I suspect he's probably onboard as long as it's a good deal.

As has been stated numerous times, he doesn't have a position on anything.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Does Donald have a position on Keystone XL and other pipeline projects? I suspect he's probably onboard as long as it's a good deal.

He was going to make us pay for it some how.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Does Donald have a position on Keystone XL and other pipeline projects? I suspect he's probably onboard as long as it's a good deal.

I believe his quote something along the lines of "We're going to approve keystone XL, but we're going to get a better deal".

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

It's not that there's nothing to complain about--it's that both sides are equally guilty. We just aren't getting leaked emails from the RNC, which I'd imagine contain just as much damning information (and potentially more, given the documents found while investigating NC's attempt to suppress voting). It's a corrupt, ugly system and no one is denying that, but it's the system we're stuck functioning within, so why blame one party when the other does the same?




Until we can get money out of politics, this is never going to happen. A candidate like that wouldn't have the money to go head-to-head with the GOP/DNC and would stand no chance in a federal election.

1) Third party candidates need to rally votes in local elections first--at county and state levels. If independent politicians could get a foothold at the level of state legislatures and then in Congress/House, they would stand a better chance of changing politics in America. They can't keep waiting until Presidential election years to push someone forward, they need to work on lower levels for a long time before they can start any real attempt at gaining the White House.

2) The GOP wants to further hamstring campaign finance laws, which would take this problem and dig it deeper into the workings of American politics. At least Democrats pay lip service to wanting to limit the effects of Citizens United, etc. Whether they'll actually make changes is yet to be seen, but the GOP platform explicitly states that it wants to allow for more private, secret funding of campaigns, not less, which puts more power in the hands of lobbyists, corporations, and the ultra-wealthy, who don't need more of a voice in Washington.

We are getting leaks of GOP as well. I think its not a conspiracy against the GOP so much as the amount of opportunities to get the appropriate information from leakers/hackers as well

Scott Walker just got nailed in a leak

The pervasive influence of corporate cash in the democratic process, and the extraordinary lengths to which politicians, lobbyists and even judges go to solicit money, are laid bare in sealed court documents leaked to the Guardian.

The John Doe files amount to 1,500 pages of largely unseen material gathered in evidence by prosecutors investigating alleged irregularities in political fundraising. Last year the Wisconsin supreme court ordered that all the documents should be destroyed, though a set survived that has now been obtained by the news organisation.

The files open a window on a world that is very rarely glimpsed by the public, in which millions of dollars are secretly donated by major corporations and super-wealthy individuals to third-party groups in an attempt to sway elections. They speak to a visceral theme of the 2016 presidential cycle: the distortion of American democracy by big business that has been slammed by both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lker-wisconsin

Totally agree money in politics needs to go

[station]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I believe his quote something along the lines of "We're going to approve keystone XL, but we're going to get a better deal".

He'll try to make us pay $8 million to re-brand it with his name. 'Trump Oil Pipe USA' will be technically the tallest horizontally-built tower in the world!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by station

He'll try to make us pay $8 million to re-brand it with his name. 'Trump Oil Pipe USA' will be technically the tallest horizontally-built tower in the world!

I'd probably agree to that if that's all it took lol

[Senator Clay Davis]

Speaking of leaks, stuff coming out of the Dr. Oz shamshow. And what do you know, it's mostly laughable/creepy/pathetic

Jesse RodriguezVerified account
‏@JesseRodriguez
Per an audience member at Dr. Oz taping with Trump, he said he likes fast food because "at least you know what they are putting in it."

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/s...08001283477504

Jesse RodriguezVerified account ‏@JesseRodriguez 30m30 minutes ago
From Dr. Oz taping: Trump said his campaigning was his exercise. That him "moving his hands around when he was speaking" was a work out.

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/s...08544949121024

Jesse Rodriguez ‏@JesseRodriguez 30m30 minutes ago
Per audience member at Dr. Oz taping, Trump says he kisses his daughter Ivanka "every chance he gets"

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/s...08960642400256

MJ LeeVerified account ‏@mj_lee 58m58 minutes ago
Trump also said on Dr. Oz he is so good at golf he could play with the PGA, according to an audience member.

(note: Trump is a notorious golf cheat)

https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/776102114103791616

Benjy SarlinVerified account ‏@BenjySarlin 35m35 minutes ago
So based on reports from Dr. Oz show: Trump is a 267 lb. 70-year old who doesn't exercise and loves fast food.

Maybe release more info?

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/stat...09337894850560

[ResAlien]

I love the PGA comment. All hail glorious leader Kim Jong Trump!

[FlamesAddiction]

So who would win in golf I wonder. Donald Trump or Kim Jong Il if he were still alive?

As much as I can't stand Trump, some of the things he says really are astonishingly excellent.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's the thing. The issues being pointed out with the DNC are pretty much problems with politics in general. Even the donations to appointments correlation and stock portfolios, I would be shocked if the GOP isn't doing the same thing. If the intent is to point out the the Democrats are no angels, well I think everyone knows that already.

The donations to appointments thing looks even less like an issue when you consider some of the top fundraisers weren't given appointments.

Although I tend to agree, here's an observation:

When you say that Hillary and Trump are both terrible candidates, you get a million Trump-ophobes screaming "false equivalence" at you. They may be right.

When bad stuff gets leaked about Hillary or the DNC, you get "well everyone is doing it" without the same evidence being leaked.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

Move to Mexico? Profit?

I think that a party platform that successfully demonstrates how power can effectively be moved to the local level in a sustainable and equitable manner would be very successful.

I like the response. I think some of this observable at the state level. Local politics, not so much, but definitely at the state level.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Does Donald have a position on Keystone XL and other pipeline projects? I suspect he's probably onboard as long as it's a good deal.

He wants to approve it, but have some sort of profit share.

It's one of his dumber ideas.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Buster

Although I tend to agree, here's an observation:

When you say that Hillary and Trump are both terrible candidates, you get a million Trump-ophobes screaming "false equivalence" at you. They may be right.

When bad stuff gets leaked about Hillary or the DNC, you get "well everyone is doing it" without the same evidence being leaked.

Umm......

the same evidence has been leaked or put out there from the Bush administration.

[Buster]

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by New Era

Colin Powell calls Trump a national disgrace and the Benghazi hearings a witch hunt.

Here is a good write-up of his e-mails in the Atlantic.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...m_source=atlfb