2008 NFL Regular Season Thread.

[DuncanKinney]

Bret Farve really looked like he was having fun out there.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by moon

What a moronic play by the Jets there at the end to possibly hand the Pats a game they had no business winning.

Hmmm... last play of the game lets cover Moss with one guy when double teaming him has been working all game.

Whoever made that call should be fired on the spot

Pats had no business winning? Pats shot themselves in the foot fumbling the ball twice on drives in Jets territory.

If the Jets didn't get a special teams touchdown, they lose the game. NE out-gained NYJ 511 - 375.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You saw how quickly the Patsies spiked the ball about 3 times on that last drive there.

49ers could learn from that!

Just keep rubbing it in. You'll get your comeuppance!

[transplant99]

Pats shot themselves in the foot fumbling the ball twice on drives in Jets territory

Yeah well the Jets had a rather poorly timed fumble as well. That works both ways.

If the Jets didn't get a special teams touchdown they lose the game

Come on....TD's are valid no matter how they are scored. So even if Washington doesn't go all the way on that one....whats to say Fvre doesnt score on that drive?

Silliness to suggest those kind of things.

All that said....and I will preface this as saying I am NOT a fan of Belichik....he is simply the best football coach I have ever seen.

Brady out, Thomas out, Harrison out, Maroney out, Morris out, and his starting QB hadnt started a game at QB since the last century.... before this year. He did start a game at TE at USC though!!

Somehow he has gotten that club to 6-4. Its truly remarkable. Pure genious.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by troutman

Pats had no business winning? Pats shot themselves in the foot fumbling the ball twice on drives in Jets territory.

If the Jets didn't get a special teams touchdown, they lose the game. NE out-gained NYJ 511 - 375.

So your saying the Pats beat themselves by allowing a special teams touchdown? A touchdown is a touchdown regardless of how it was scored. Yardage usually doesn't tell the whole story. Moving the ball between the 20's is easy. Taking advantage in the red zone is what wins games. If you look at the yardage totals in a lot of games you will see that teams that are down by large margins gain more yards than the team that wins. One team needs to move the ball in chunks to catch up. The other team just needs to eat up the clock and not turn the ball over. Total yardage is no indication of how well a team is performing.

[moon]

Originally Posted by troutman

Pats had no business winning? Pats shot themselves in the foot fumbling the ball twice on drives in Jets territory.

If the Jets didn't get a special teams touchdown, they lose the game. NE out-gained NYJ 511 - 375.

No business winning because there is no way the Jets should have let them walk down the field at the end or play Moss one-on-one on the last play of the game.

Not sure why we are discounting TD's that teams legitimately get but special teams is part of the game.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by moon

No business winning because there is no way the Jets should have let them walk down the field at the end or play Moss one-on-one on the last play of the game.

Not sure why we are discounting TD's that teams legitimately get but special teams is part of the game.

What is the difference between the two TDs you just described? There is "no way" either team should have allowed those TDs.

All I'm saying is either team could have won that game. NE out-gained NY by over 100 yards.

NY was good, and they were lucky - ex. winning a coin toss. They also converted a 3rd and 15 in O/T, which the Pats in "no way should have let them do".

[troutman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah well the Jets had a rather poorly timed fumble as well. That works both ways.



Come on....TD's are valid no matter how they are scored. So even if Washington doesn't go all the way on that one....whats to say Fvre doesnt score on that drive?

Silliness to suggest those kind of things.

That's not what I'm suggesting. It's sillinesss to suggest that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by troutman

What is the difference between the two TDs you just described? There is "no way" either team should have allowed those TDs.

All I'm saying is either team could have won that game. NE out-gained NY by over 100 yards.

NY was good, and they were lucky - ex. winning a coin toss. They also converted a 3rd and 15 in O/T, which the Pats in "no way should have let them do".

I agree either team could have won.

My comment was in relation to that last play of the game.

If they double team Moss like they did all game then that thrown is likely not complete. Hence, because of the stupid call to change what had been working all game the Pats had a shot to win the game that they shouldn't have had.

Overall, yes both teams could have easily won the game and both played well and terrible at times but I was referencing that play and the fact that it gave NE a shot that they shouldn't have had if the Jets continued to play Moss like they had.

[troutman]

Thanks, I understand you now moon.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by moon

I agree either team could have won.

My comment was in relation to that last play of the game.

If they double team Moss like they did all game then that thrown is likely not complete. Hence, because of the stupid call to change what had been working all game the Pats had a shot to win the game that they shouldn't have had.

Overall, yes both teams could have easily won the game and both played well and terrible at times but I was referencing that play and the fact that it gave NE a shot that they shouldn't have had if the Jets continued to play Moss like they had.

I'd need to see the play again (they showed the catch 100x) but was Moss the primary receiver?

I'm just wondering, if Moss would have been double covered, who would have been open, or had a better chance to be open? Was Welker doubled?

[Displaced Flames fan]

John Lynch officially retired today.

HOFer for sure.

[transplant99]

Some personel moves for todays game...

McFadden in for Oakland

Johnson in for KC

Bush out for NO

Sanders out for Indy

Gonzalez in for Indy

Orton to start for Chicago (surprising to me)

Cadillac Williams in for Tampa

Felix Jones out for Dallas

Romo in for Dalls

[Displaced Flames fan]

Tatum Bell is active today for the Broncos. Kind of surprising to me, I thought they'd continue to go with Peyton Hillis.

Champ Bailey will not play today.

Any definitive word on Clinton Portis yet?

[The Ditch]

I can't decide on the Dallas Washington game, I could see it going either way. Also, did you see Grossman last week? He was absolutely terrible, I mean brutal, doesn't surprise me he isn't getting the start.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

I can't decide on the Dallas Washington game, I could see it going either way. Also, did you see Grossman last week? He was absolutely terrible, I mean brutal, doesn't surprise me he isn't getting the start.

What i mean is that Orton suffered a high-ankle sprain 2 weeks ago...that in best case scenarios is usually a 4 week healing process. Add in that the weather is going to be very cold in GB today, I can't see him being very effective at all in mobility etc.

Any definitive word on Clinton Portis yet?

Last I heard was that he is going to dress but is looking very limited in what he can do.

[Smoldering_Puckster]

Cutler has an amazing arm. If he improves his decision making and gets to go forward with Marshall (and to a lesser extent, Royal), he is going to do some very good things and put up some very good numbers. If the Broncos can put a defence together in the next couple of years they could very dangerous for a number of seasons afterwards.

[transplant99]

Interesting stuff early on.

Carolina run defense, and specifically Delhomme look awful...trailing Detroit 10-0. Even Fox challenged a call that was clearly going to go against him.

KC ahead of NO early.

Cutler looked good early on but Atlanta has played well too.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Just keep rubbing it in. You'll get your comeuppance!

Not rubbing it in. Just pointing out how the 49ers can learn from an elite team.
You have to watch other teams to see how it's done.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

I can't decide on the Dallas Washington game, I could see it going either way. Also, did you see Grossman last week? He was absolutely terrible, I mean brutal, doesn't surprise me he isn't getting the start.

I would take Dallas.

Dallas has Romo back.
Redskins looked horrible against the Steelers.
Dallas wants revenge for the loss earlier in the year.