Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Paulie Walnuts]

Even more embarrassing is that Dube was the captain, great leadership bud.

[Elkyiv]

Does anyone know the legal language that is used when drafting up player contracts? Can being charged with certain Criminal Code sections permit the team to terminate a contract, or does it have to result in a conviction?

I haven't followed too many criminal court cases with athletes, but I recall Kobe playing during his case.

[heep223]

I don’t mean to take away from the victim in this case at all. Hopefully because of how high profile this case is the victim will get criminal justice, and already got compensation for the wrongdoing.

But what really gets me upset is the extent of this stuff that’s going on still, right now, last weekend, next weekend, particularly in junior hockey, at all levels of competitive hockey. Like imagine how many situations like this have happened and are happening have been dismissed that nobody hears about. Or have not been reported at all. The Junior B mucks from mucksville. It’s even worse at lower level competitive in my opinion.

Hundreds of victims that are silenced and suffering. Thousands. Tens of thousands over the years? Who the hell knows. And it just seems so daunting to change hockey culture.

I will be thinking of these victims as well as we process this case and hopefully set a new standard. But I’m not holding my breath.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

It's entirely possible that this ends up as a plea agreement and never goes to trial at all. Both the victim and the accused parties may not want to drag this out until 2026.

They've already settled a civil suit. I assume the crown wouldn't pursue charges unless they'd contacted the victim, who is likely their main witness, and were assured that she wanted to testify.

[jayswin]

Not trying to defend the Flames too much here, but one thing that sticks out in their release is that he is "under care". To me that suggests that the statement was released not from Dube getting ahead of things and a crafting a statement, but from him actually being admitted to hospital (or somewhere) and the Flames being notified that he is under care and leaving the Flames effective immediately. In which case the Flames just released a statement saying exactly what happened.

Dillon Dube has been granted an indefinite leave of absence from the team while he attends to his mental health. Dillon is under the care of health professionals, and we request that Dillon’s privacy is respected during this period.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Does anyone know the legal language that is used when drafting up player contracts? Can being charged with certain Criminal Code sections permit the team to terminate a contract, or does it have to result in a conviction?

I haven't followed too many criminal court cases with athletes, but I recall Kobe playing during his case.

Richards was terminated following a charge (a lot more minor than this one). He appealed, it was settled (favorably to the Kings) and the charges were eventually dropped anyway.

[trackercowe]

Lot's of people in my feed cracking jokes, and making light of the case. Many of them former (and current) players. I really hope this case is a shakeup for the hockey world. I honestly had no idea it was this bad, and I was always the on the players side. The fact that this appears common in all leagues is quite disturbing.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Patek23

It's literally impossible the Flames didn't know about this from day 1. Beans kid was on the team and would have gotten interviewed by the cops and for sure his father would have known the whole story. I'm sure most the players knew through word of mouth as well.

100% How could Formenton quietly be dropped from the Senators if there was some code of silence surrounding this event?

[Electricprez]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not trying to defend the Flames too much here, but one thing that sticks out in their release is that he is "under care". To me that suggests that the statement was released not from Dube getting ahead of things and a crafting a statement, but from him actually being admitted to hospital (or somewhere) and the Flames being notified that he is under care and leaving the Flames effective immediately. In which case the Flames just released a statement saying exactly what happened.

I suggested this and was immediately lambasted by Ped for being overanalytical.

The wording of the statement *does* matter. The Flames employ a communications team (of which there are four people listed here) for a reason.

And while we'll find out when we find out, I remain curious for the same reason you're curious: the wording here implies that Dube was admitted somewhere.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

100% How could Formenton quietly be dropped from the Senators if there was some code of silence surrounding this event?

Different level of comfort of risk in organizations.

[traptor]

The flames definitely knew.

And if they didn't, is that really much of a better look? That just reiterates the ineptitude of this organization.

[SuperMatt18]

Remember with Formenton he was offered his qualifying offer - so wasn't like the Senators didn't try to sign him ar all. They just didn't want to pay him any more than his QO.

And the fact he wasn't traded at all screams that probably more than just Senators management knew too.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Does anyone know the legal language that is used when drafting up player contracts? Can being charged with certain Criminal Code sections permit the team to terminate a contract, or does it have to result in a conviction?

I haven't followed too many criminal court cases with athletes, but I recall Kobe playing during his case.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752431654822347170

So the teams could suspend the players while under investigation, which for all intents and purposes, would end their NHL careers, as this is going to be until 2026 before the case hits the courts.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by blankall

They've already settled a civil suit. I assume the crown wouldn't pursue charges unless they'd contacted the victim, who is likely their main witness, and were assured that she wanted to testify.

Any legal minds able to clarify what will likely happen to the payment received from the prior civil suit?

Assuming there was an NDA associated with the settlement, does the victim relinquish their rights to the money (back to Hockey Canada) due to them speaking publicly about the incident??

[RedHot25]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752455817977336262

[getbak]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752458680014934289

[MacDaddy77]

This all happened after being drafted. Now Dube goes from the highpoint of his life in playing for his hometown team to being a pariah in the community his family members still live in.

Someone will flip on the others I'm guessing. who will it be

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Any legal minds able to clarify what will likely happen to the payment received from the prior civil suit?

Assuming there was an NDA associated with the settlement, does the victim relinquish their rights to the money (back to Hockey Canada) due to them speaking publicly about the incident??

An NDA cannot apply to testimony that you are required to give under oath. For example, if you are subpoenaed as a witness. That would be contempt of court.

You also cannot interfere with a police investigation due to an NDA, which would include withholding info and/or giving false info the police. An NDA can also not prevent you from reporting a crime to the police.

In Canada, it's the crown, and not the individual who brings charges. The complainant/victim is just a witness in the investigation and prosecution.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Someone will flip on the others I'm guessing. who will it be

I might be wrong, but wasn't there talk before about 8 players being somewhat involved in this, not just those 5? Maybe someone has already flipped.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

This all happened after being drafted. Now Dube goes from the highpoint of his life in playing for his hometown team to being a pariah in the community his family members still live in.

Someone will flip on the others I'm guessing. who will it be

Didn't one of them just go up for pizza?...I'm guessing it's that guy.