The 2016 US American Election Thread

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Can we just clarify what comments by Trump you're referring to that evidence sexual assault or rape? As in my earlier post, my interpretation of the "grab them in the p***y" comment was Trump bragging not that he had assaulted anyone, but that when you're a star many women will let you get away with things like that. And that's something I can say isn't particularly novel from a man who has enjoyed power/fame/status.

I mean has no one read a biography of a successful musician? Do you honestly think a comment like "When you're famous and on the road women are throwing themselves at you. You wouldn't believe the stuff they'll let you do. You can just walk up and grab them in the p***y!" would be out of place in the average rock biography?

And to be clear, I'm not condoning assault, misogyny, or the like, but I am saying that if Trump's language on this issue is beyond the pale for you you'd better throw out all of your albums, stop watching professional sports, and vote exclusively for women for any high power political offices, beause, again, IMO most men in positions of high power/fame/status are somewhere on the pig spectrum at least some of the time.

The difference is that nobody expects Mick Jagger to sit down at a table with rape survivors and work with them on crafting legislation about their rights, or go to other countries in the world where women's rights are deplorable, and try to engage with leaders of those countries about meaningful change to women's rights. There are very practical, obvious reasons why we hold political figures to higher moral standards than others: because we are counting on them to craft the policies and legislation that describe what we aspire to, not what we are in our worst moments.

[station]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I am not sure this debate is going to matter much. I think the percentage of undecided voters is inconsequential. This debate is going to be crazy nonetheless.
It is Wolf Blitzer's Wet Dream

It matters for the GOP overall though. I think Trump is toast already but it could go from embarrassing presidential defeat to seriously affecting senate and house races down ballot. Even if they disavow him now they still nominated him to begin with and that's looking worse by the day.

[photon]

The majority of the rank and file of the GOP doesn't want the leadership to disavow Trump. Is that just sunk cost fallacy by voters? Or is it just another indication of the deep divide between the leadership/establishment and the people of the GOP? I'm not sure a complete meltdown with Trump walking out would change that divide.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I am not sure this debate is going to matter much. I think the percentage of undecided voters is inconsequential. This debate is going to be crazy nonetheless.
It is Wolf Blitzer's Wet Dream

There are a much higher number of undecideds than any of the recent elections. They're certainly not inconsequential

[Senator Clay Davis]

Wish we could embed Vines, but here's Guiliani's morning summed up.

https://vine.co/v/5g0wgpvK2rF

[photon]

'I don't have the tapes. I've signed a Burnett contract & know leak fee is 5 mill. Hearing from producers/crew N word is the "much worse".'

https://twitter.com/chrisdocnee/stat...59503419351040

Not sure who Chris Nee is though.

[Alpine Fisher]

Wish Giuliani would have run.
America's first Italian President.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by photon

'I don't have the tapes. I've signed a Burnett contract & know leak fee is 5 mill. Hearing from producers/crew N word is the "much worse".'

https://twitter.com/chrisdocnee/stat...59503419351040

Not sure who Chris Nee is though.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1349008/

Looks like she does mostly kids shows now, and doesn't have The Apprentice on her IMDB page, but does have The Casino, which was another awful Mark Burnett "reality" show from the same time frame as The Apprentice.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by photon

'I don't have the tapes. I've signed a Burnett contract & know leak fee is 5 mill. Hearing from producers/crew N word is the "much worse".'

https://twitter.com/chrisdocnee/stat...59503419351040

Not sure who Chris Nee is though.

You know they've got a five minute rant about lazy welfare claiming n****** waiting to drop in the last week.

They've essentially nominated Andrew Dice Clay, what did they expect?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

Wish Giuliani would have run.
America's first Italian President.

He ran in 2008. One of the worst campaigns in history.

[photon]

Good article relevant to the party turning on Trump:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...publican-party

[troutman]

Originally Posted by photon

'I don't have the tapes. I've signed a Burnett contract & know leak fee is 5 mill. Hearing from producers/crew N word is the "much worse".'

https://twitter.com/chrisdocnee/stat...59503419351040

Not sure who Chris Nee is though.

Cuban could pay leak fee.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by station

It matters for the GOP overall though. I think Trump is toast already but it could go from embarrassing presidential defeat to seriously affecting senate and house races down ballot. Even if they disavow him now they still nominated him to begin with and that's looking worse by the day.

Yeah, you just know that Clinton is out there to inflict maximum damage at this point, not just to Trump but to the whole GOP. The timing of this leak was about as difficult as it could be for representatives running for re-election, and if she's got more leaks of even worse footage planned, then look out, the House might just be in play. And it's arguably going to hurt Republicans long after this election as Trump-disavowers find themselves the target of vindictive primary challenges by fringe candidates who'll get destroyed in general elections.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Can we just clarify what comments by Trump you're referring to that evidence sexual assault or rape? As in my earlier post, my interpretation of the "grab them in the p***y" comment was Trump bragging not that he had assaulted anyone, but that when you're a star many women will let you get away with things like that. And that's something I can say isn't particularly novel from a man who has enjoyed power/fame/status.

I mean has no one read a biography of a successful musician? Do you honestly think a comment like "When you're famous and on the road women are throwing themselves at you. You wouldn't believe the stuff they'll let you do. You can just walk up and grab them in the p***y!" would be out of place in the average rock biography?

And to be clear, I'm not condoning assault, misogyny, or the like, but I am saying that if Trump's language on this issue is beyond the pale for you you'd better throw out all of your albums, stop watching professional sports, and vote exclusively for women for any high power political offices, beause, again, IMO most men in positions of high power/fame/status are somewhere on the pig spectrum at least some of the time.

There are previous allegations of trump going up to a woman and grabbing her by the #####. So it makes it into a confession by a person who doesn't understand consent rather than boasting about what women will let you do.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by station

^^^ Also town hall format limits amount of talking between candidates. If Trump continually turns unrelated audience questions into Bill infidelity banter, personal attacks, and accusations it's going to look so bad. That format is a huge advantage for her because she can easily take the high road by just answering the audience questions earnestly. Trump answering unscripted questions on live national tv has to have his advisors drinking early today.

There will be a miss Piggy question for sure even if the questions were selected prior to Friday. So on at least one question there will be a legitamate opportunity for thugs to blow up.

[octothorp]

So this will likely get lost in all of the other debate in the media, but this article links those huge tax breaks that Trump received in part to Trump's shady practices of not paying contractors.

http://fortune.com/2016/10/08/donald...s-contractors/

Short explanation:
1. Get contractors to perform the work, and invoice for the full amount.
2. Claim those invoices as part of a business loss, creating huge tax breaks.
3. Only pay back a portion (30%) of the invoices, but still keep the full tax break created.

[sureLoss]

nm

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

There is apparently footage from the apprentice where Trump uses the N-word. But they can't release it because Mark Brunett put a $5 million fine for any leaks.

Easiest GoFundMe ever.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Can we just clarify what comments by Trump you're referring to that evidence sexual assault or rape? As in my earlier post, my interpretation of the "grab them in the p***y" comment was Trump bragging not that he had assaulted anyone, but that when you're a star many women will let you get away with things like that. And that's something I can say isn't particularly novel from a man who has enjoyed power/fame/status.

Grabbing a stranger by the vagina and then getting away with it because your wealthy is still sexual assault. Full stop. What disgusting expectations do you have of women and celebrities? Locker room banter:
"totally banged that chick last night. was awesome"
"would love to bang that chick so and so"
"oh I'd love to bang that chick and her mom at the same time high five"

NOT locker room talk
"isnt it great that we can grab strange womens vaginas and thats ok because were football stars on campus??"

[Alpine Fisher]

Re: Clinton Rapes

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...-brutal-rapes/

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...exual-assault/

Everybody makes fun of Breitbart, but who else has the cajones to atleast interview these women so they can tell their side of the story?

Certainly not NBC, ABC, CNN or even Fox