[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

He wasn't as good when he has to switch with Gio down

He wasn't as good when he had a boat anchor for a defence partner, you mean.

I'm not sure switching sides had anything to do with it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I think that is more a product of playing with Engelland than it was a product of him switching sides.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He wasn't as good when he had a boat anchor for a defence partner, you mean.

I'm not sure switching sides had anything to do with it.

Even when matched with other D he wasn't as effective by my eye

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Even when matched with other D he wasn't as effective by my eye

Yes, well, none of the other D were Giordano, were they?

After Giordano went down, Wideman and Russell stayed together, and Brodie played with odds and sods. None of his partners from that point on were much more than fringe NHLers.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

If anyone wants to revisit the glory of this trade, the /r/hockey thread is gold

http://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comme...ught_hamilton/

That first comment perfectly sums up every Flames fans reactions upon hearing about the trade and then the details later

someone posted the below:

You know what the most hilarious part of this is? We're literally the new Oilers.
Look at the front office? Look familiar? A bunch of dudes who played for the team decades ago. Almost like an Old Boy's Club. We're literally a Milbury hire away from surpassing the Oilers.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Even when matched with other D he wasn't as effective by my eye

Sure but once he settled down with Engelland, he was better. He was great in the Van series and didn't struggle against Anaheim.

I'd rather him switch back to left. Him and Hamilton are our future top pair.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Sure but once he settled down with Engelland, he was better. He was great in the Van series and didn't struggle against Anaheim.

I'd rather him switch back to left. Him and Hamilton are our future top pair.

Lets not forget that for a while in the final weeks of the season, Brodie had an ankle injury, which bothered him as well.

[Street Pharmacist]

With hindsight, this article becomes funny:

http://thehockeywriters.com/dougie-h...nright-absurd/

[Roof-Daddy]

Damn.

I still can't believe it.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

With hindsight, this article becomes funny:

http://thehockeywriters.com/dougie-hamilton-for-3-is-downright-absurd

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A cautionary tale, for sure.

[pacde]

So I wonder what happens if Hamilton gets Offer Sheeted
He is a prime target ... do Flames match 7 for 5 if thats the offer sheet?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by pacde

So I wonder what happens if Hamilton gets Offer Sheeted
He is a prime target ... do Flames match 7 for 5 if thats the offer sheet?

He'll sign before anyone can offer sheet him

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pacde

So I wonder what happens if Hamilton gets Offer Sheeted
He is a prime target ... do Flames match 7 for 5 if thats the offer sheet?

What happens if Hamilton signs an offer sheet with someone?

Brian Burke and Brad Treliving thank that team for doing all the negotiation and contract work, match the offer and move on.

[devo22]

The earliest day teams can offer sheet players is July 1, correct? If so, I'm not worried ... it'll surely be done by then. I'll be very surprised if Hamilton doesn't sign a long-term deal with the Flames within the next couple of days.

[pacde]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What happens if Hamilton signs an offer sheet with someone?

Brian Burke and Brad Treliving thank that team for doing all the negotiation and contract work, match the offer and move on.

Maybe... I could see that turning into an RoR scenario where they match but it burdens the team.

I think if I was Hamilton, I might wait just to see what happens. Makes you wonder why it doesnt happen more frequently

[sureLoss]

Friedman:

Bruins offered $5.5 per, Hamilton's camp came back with $7.5 per

I’m more curious about practical analysis, as in, what does this tell us about the new regime? One GM compared it to “Harry Sinden running the team again.” What he meant was Hamilton and Milan Lucic made contract asks the Bruins didn’t like, and rather than doing much negotiating, pulled the trigger.

To be fair, Don Sweeney was up against a July 1 offer sheet possibility, although not with Lucic.

The best information I can give you is it appears the team offered six years and $33M to Hamilton, while the response was about $2M per year higher.

Sometimes, we get caught up in initial proposals. Any good negotiator will tell you to exaggerate your opening position. As for Lucic, I’m not sure money was discussed. This was about term. He opened with eight years. Don’t think Boston wanted to go higher than five.

[FlameZilla]

Quite a good analysis by Sean Tierney:

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015...ng-in-calgary/

Hamilton’s statistics stack up well with Flames top defenseman Mark Giordano as well. Giordano was an early-season Norris Trophy contender and, while his rate stats and percentages are generally stronger than Hamilton’s, the two defenders show some remarkable similarities.

In terms of points and assists per 60 minutes, Hamilton produced numbers virtually identical to Giordano’s stats. The biggest gap between the pair of blueliners has been Hamilton’s relatively smaller share of ice time in Boston. After making such a significant push to acquire him, expect the Flames to push Hamilton’s minutes up, especially as Giordano works his way back from surgery.

At 22 years old Hamilton just posted a season that matched Giordano for many stats. He's nearly as good as Gio & he's 22. Twenty two. Sky's the limit with this player skill-wise & he's 6-foot-freakin-5. I've changed my mind – we didn't just win this trade, we fleeced the Bruins. Sweeney won't walk right for a good long while...

[JohnnySkittles]

From Friedmans 30 thoughts: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...serves-better/

4. The Dougie Hamilton trade watch was a real rollercoaster. As news broke Friday morning, it looked like Arizona was going to be his next home. But, as we learned later, GM Don Maloney’s staff pushed back at any move that prevented them from getting Dylan Strome in the draft.
No deal with the Bruins — whose highest selection would turn out to be 13 — was going to allow that. There was a point where things were close with Colorado, but that didn’t work, either. Edmonton felt it could provide a prettier cornucopia of draft picks, but for Peter Chiarelli, the price was going to be higher, since Boston’s worry of an offer sheet from him started all this. The Oilers were not going to include Darnell Nurse.
Teams were upset that they didn’t know of Hamilton’s availability until it was too late, probably because the Bruins preferred to send him West.

5. You don’t need to look hard to find reaction to Boston’s moves.
I’m more curious about practical analysis, as in, what does this tell us about the new regime? One GM compared it to “Harry Sinden running the team again.” What he meant was Hamilton and Milan Lucic made contract asks the Bruins didn’t like, and rather than doing much negotiating, pulled the trigger.
To be fair, Don Sweeney was up against a July 1 offer sheet possibility, although not with Lucic.
The best information I can give you is it appears the team offered six years and $33M to Hamilton, while the response was about $2M per year higher.
Sometimes, we get caught up in initial proposals. Any good negotiator will tell you to exaggerate your opening position. As for Lucic, I’m not sure money was discussed. This was about term. He opened with eight years. Don’t think Boston wanted to go higher than five.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by pacde

Maybe... I could see that turning into an RoR scenario where they match but it burdens the team.

I think if I was Hamilton, I might wait just to see what happens. Makes you wonder why it doesnt happen more frequently

If he waits, most likely increases his pay day, and flames have to match.... but it isn't risk free for him.

Flames are not the Bruins. Due to our current cap room, teams would have to ensure they over pay him (which possibly means more picks for the flames) to steal him. With the Bruins, teams just had to pay him enough to make his salary unacceptable for their cap hell.

My point - he may not get an offer sheet. If he doesn't, and doesn't sign with the flames before July 1, well..... that part of the leverage just went away.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Even when matched with other D he wasn't as effective by my eye

During the regular season or during the playoffs?

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/players...9357/tj-brodie


Flames' Brodie Played Through Sprained Ankle
(5/12/15) T.J. Brodie revealed Tuesday that he played through a "severely sprained ankle" during the postseason, Roger Millions of Sportsnet reports.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

The Smear Campaign has begun in Boston:

“We didn’t want to lose him,” said one Bruins front office source. “We tried everything we could think of.”

As it was, the Hamilton deal didn’t look good — but may have had a secondary cause.


“It was surprising,” said one NHL assistant GM. “It’s obvious there’s something going on that we don’t know about. From what I’ve heard behind the scenes, his teammates don’t like him. I heard he’s a loner and sort of an uppity kid, and that his teammates don’t like him and it was unanimous.”


In that context, the deal makes more sense. Sources also said Hamilton exerted some control in the process, letting it be known which teams he would sign with and which he wouldn’t — maybe including Arizona, with which the B’s tried to trade up for the No. 3 pick.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/b...han_impressive

EDIT - #DougieSmearCampaign is trending in Boston as a mockery towards this article. It's actually pretty funny.