Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[saillias]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

dont be even slightly surprised when we trade baertschi + cgy 1st for 1st overall. We get Ekblad, CP implodes, and the world keeps turning.

Not sure the difference between 1st and 5th is Baertschi. Buffalo is probably asking for Monahan instead.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

Not sure the difference between 1st and 5th is Baertschi. Buffalo is probably asking for Monahan instead.

They might 'ask'.

But Monahan is not the difference between 1st and 5th. Monahan, with a year of NHL experience and clear progression in his post-draft season, is worth more than the #1 pick this year on his own.

Monahan PLUS the 5th pick for the 1st pick is a fire everyone event.

[nik-]

In my mind Baertschi plus the first is too much to move up to Buffalo's pick in this draft. Just not worth it, maybe next year, but not this one.

[PeteMoss]

Can't see a rookie GM trading a 1st overall pick. If the 1st pick comes in and tears it up you look like an idiot and are on the chopping block right away. You need a GM who's feeling some heat to make a move to 1st overall pick.

[dammage79]

I'm content letting the rest of this season play out. lots of things can happen between now and then. I'm hoping at the very very least Edmonton can pass Calgary. And if the Flames can keep FLA ahead of them too that would be beneficial. I'm content with 4-5 but any lower and you get into head scratching territory. I'm not too jazzed on any of the prospects outside or Ekblad, Draisaitl, Bennett to be perfectly honest.

Dal Colle looks good but I have a gut feeling he won't transfer well to the pro game. Totally baseless feeling and I cannot back it up with stats.

[albertGQ]

^^^

What about Reinhart???

[Major Major]

I've said it before, Burke has said he will overpay to get what he wants. He doesn't care what he has to give up. If not for Ek, he'll do of for someone else. Just depends what he covets. As a fanbase, we should be ready for that. I'm fine with it.

[flamesfan1297]

i think Burke will make a big trade either at the deadline or draft. I just hope that he does not make a crazy overpayment

[stemit14]

I think the hockey gods will finally reward the flames for their effort and class... Flames will finish 24th and win the draft lottery despite the odds.


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[Angelino]

Originally Posted by nik-

In my mind Baertschi plus the first is too much to move up to Buffalo's pick in this draft. Just not worth it, maybe next year, but not this one.

I doubt buffalo has any interest in Baertschi. His value is at a low. He isn't producing much at the AHL level and can't crack a poor Calgary lineup. Buffalo would probably just hang up the phone if they were offered a Baertschi type prospect. He is being highly overrated on this board. I believe he has some potential but not enough to warrant a quality return.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Angelino

I doubt buffalo has any interest in Baertschi. His value is at a low. He isn't producing much at the AHL level and can't crack a poor Calgary lineup. Buffalo would probably just hang up the phone if they were offered a Baertschi type prospect. He is being highly overrated on this board. I believe he has some potential but not enough to warrant a quality return.

I think you are underrating Baertschi's value. For his age and draft year, his production in his limited time in the NHL is not that bad. If you don't count this amazing start with 3 goals in his first five games, Baertschi actually has 21 points in his last 46 games with Calgary. Pretty decent production for a prospect and much better than Buffalo's first from that year. I doubt very much that Buffalo just hangs up if offered Baertschi and Calgary's first. In fact, I'd be glad if they did, I don't think Baertschi and our first is worth moving up in this draft unless something else is added from Buffalo's side, especially if we finish in the 3-5 range as I would expect. If another team is willing to overpay, that's fine.

[Da_Chief]

I wouldn't trade Monahan for the first overall this year let alone packaging him with our 1st pick.

[Poe969]

Saying Sven is too much of an overpayment is a bit of a stretch. Sven has potential but in all honesty he hasn't really done anything to prove he isn't just an average prospect to other teams. Flames fans will say that he is one of our best prospect but I think it'll take at least him to move up from our pick to the #1 pick.

I could honestly see something like our first + Sven + another pick(maybe a first we get in a deal for Cammy) for the sabres first and second or something like that

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Saying Sven is too much of an overpayment is a bit of a stretch. Sven has potential but in all honesty he hasn't really done anything to prove he isn't just an average prospect to other teams. Flames fans will say that he is one of our best prospect but I think it'll take at least him to move up from our pick to the #1 pick.

I could honestly see something like our first + Sven + another pick(maybe a first we get in a deal for Cammy) for the sabres first and second or something like that

Is this a serious post? First of all, why trade Sven while his value is low. Also, why trade the future to move up a couple spots in a draft where 5th pick could end up better than the first.

Our first plus Sven for first overall only makes sense in 2015

[Poe969]

Then I guess it depends on how you value the top 2-3 guys in the draft. If we end up with say the #4 or 5 pick, I would rather trade someone like Sven to move up as I think both Ekblad and Reinhart are head and shoulders above everyone else and worth trading Sven to move up for. You say that Sven's value is low and then call him the future, I think if we see him as part of the future then so do other teams and would consider the trade. Sven plays on the wing and we have a few decent wing prospects, I'd trade him to get Ekblad who would be our top D prospect. I see it as dealing from a position of strength to help a position of weakness.

In 2015, it'll take a lot more then Sven to move up to the first pick.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Is this a serious post? First of all, why trade Sven while his value is low. Also, why trade the future to move up a couple spots in a draft where 5th pick could end up better than the first.

Our first plus Sven for first overall only makes sense in 2015

Look at the historical price of moving up from #5-6 to #1-2. It's not cheap.

[$ven27]

Yup, moving up is certainly not cheap. IIRC Florida wanted to trade up from #2 to the top spot and Colorado wanted Gudbranson in return.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think it would cost a huge premium to get Buffalo's pick if they end up with the first over-all.

It really depends on how they view the draft. There seems to be a tier - Reinhart and Ekblad. With how Reinhart has been rolling since the WJC tournament, he is quickly solidifying himself as the top pick - at least the top center pick.

Looking at Buffalo's prospect depth chart, the closest thing they have to him is Grigorenko, and he is anything but a 'sure thing'. They desperately need a player like Reinhart in their system. Imagine if Calgary didn't have Monahan - they would be in the same situation (and Calgary probably has more depth in Center than Buffalo). I know I wouldn't be a fan of trading down past #3 (where Bennett is likely to go). MAYBE a Baertschi + 3rd overall pick would get you the first, but as a Flames' fan, I would probably want more to trade down further than that - and I think Baertschi is a very good prospect, and I think he has an excellent shot at playing LW on the top line in the future, or at least in the top 6.

If it was Florida, you can make a case that they may be willing to drop down at a cheaper rate (even if they view the top 10 picks exactly the same as Buffalo) since they have Barkov there, as well as very good center depth moving forward. Still, Reinhart is a RH shot, and has played RW internationally. I think most organizations project him to be a top-line player with intangibles. Would be expensive to acquire.

I am hoping the Flames are able to draft Draisaitl at this point. I think Bennett will be out of reach (and expensive to move up to acquire him, nevermind Ekblad whom I assume some organizations flip-flop between him and Reinhart).

Fleury will be a bit too low, though he is currently ranked 6th by CSS.

What is interesting is how quickly Goldobin is rocketing up the rankings. Natural RW (who the Flames are weak at). He is 6'0" and 185lbs (eliteprospects.com), so he isn't undersized, but not a 'big' guy either. I think he is someone to keep an eye on (though many people on these boards hate Russian prospects). I think the risk is low - kid came over to play last year in North America. He may just end up ranked anywhere from 5-15 by the time the rankings are finalized just prior to the draft, and he has an insane amount of skill.

I don't think Burke will make too much of a splash in moving up. It just costs too much to switch into another tier. Draisaitl, Dal Colle, Perlini, Virtanen, Ritchie and Fleury (next best available D - currently 6th over-all on the NHL central scouting's midterm rankings).

There is still going to be a lot of movement from now until the draft in terms of both draft rankings and team positions. I think after the trade-deadline, we will have a closer picture as to where within a couple of spots the Flames may actually finish. I think to get Ekblad or Reinhart, Calgary will probably have to finish in the bottom 3 in order to move up without paying a truly absurd price. Hopefully they win the lottery, however.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Look at the historical price of moving up from #5-6 to #1-2. It's not cheap.

Exactly - some on this board have a hard on for moving up. If we were swimming in elite prospects and picks, maybe we do it. But I think it's a mistake as the cost to move up far outweighs the upgrade in player, particularly in this draft. Let's hope we stay in the 4-5 range and be happy with what is available at this time. Trading up may not accelerate the rebuild, it may in fact set it back.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Saying Sven is too much of an overpayment is a bit of a stretch. Sven has potential but in all honesty he hasn't really done anything to prove he isn't just an average prospect to other teams. Flames fans will say that he is one of our best prospect but I think it'll take at least him to move up from our pick to the #1 pick.

I could honestly see something like our first + Sven + another pick(maybe a first we get in a deal for Cammy) for the sabres first and second or something like that

Not any more of a stretch than saying that the #1 pick is worth more than the package. You're trading two prospects (both of whom have top 6 potential) for a potential top two dman (Ekblad) or Reinhart. You're not dealing with any certainty just potential. Like you said - it depends on how much you value the guy you'd pick at #1 and I don't value him that much. Who knows? Burke might. But we are all hockey fans stating our opinions and I don't think it's a stretch at all. Keep in mind that the #1 draft pick hasn't proven much yet at all either. Sven's ability to translate his game to the pros is still a question, I'll admit that, and I don't think that there is anymore certainty with the top 5 in the draft than there is with Sven.