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Old 11-27-2023, 04:28 PM   #11761
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Yeah I hate when I hear things like "We needed 3 pieces in return" or "The return has to include a young roster player"

You're boxing yourself in and also limiting your market when you set firm criteria like that.

Each negotiation with each team should be independent from one another, because each team's available assets are different.

Negotiate separately, try to get each teams best offer, and then make the decision based on what the best offer is as a whole. Not because your criteria was met to check off the box you had.
I couldn't agree more. There are multiple ways to win, so there's no need to create artificial barriers that prevent you from using one of them.
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Old 11-27-2023, 04:35 PM   #11762
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That's a terribly unoriginal rumour to be started.
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Old 11-27-2023, 04:39 PM   #11763
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Took home a team mates mom. But not just any team mates, one he was brought in to mentor.
Well, they don't call him Scorrey Perry for nothing.

I doubt this rumour is true though. I would think he could file a grievance with the NHLPA if he got kicked off the team for doing something legal and consensual with another person. Unless he was flaunting it or something to Bedard. It's really not the business of his employer who he does the deed with.
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Old 11-27-2023, 04:43 PM   #11764
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Well, they don't call him Scorrey Perry for nothing.

I doubt this rumour is true though. I would think he could file a grievance with the NHLPA if he got kicked off the team for doing something legal and consensual with another person. Unless he was flaunting it or something to Bedard. It's really not the business of his employer who he does the deed with.
Yeah. I think the more likely thing is that he will be entering the player’s assistance program soon.
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Old 11-27-2023, 04:53 PM   #11765
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Yeah. I think the more likely thing is that he will be entering the player’s assistance program soon.
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Old 11-27-2023, 05:00 PM   #11766
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Should be fun when Perry becomes an Oiler (because they love their blacklisted players) and face off agains the Hawks.

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Old 11-27-2023, 05:35 PM   #11767
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Calgary Flames franchise history and yeah you aren't getting those top picks for our UFAs

again I said keep your own picks, all of them (also for offer sheet reasons)

I am preferring YOUNG players to late firsts...which in my opinion are the most over rated assets in the NHL. You can get late firsts and flip them too. Its statistics, I'm glad the Flames traded Niewy for Iggy and not 2, 3, 4, late firsts...If CP existed at the time most would have wanted the picks.
I am glad the Flames originally traded Nilsson for the equivalent of two late round picks.
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:01 PM   #11769
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Deleted: My comment wasn't too bad, but i don't want to make any jokes here. If true, omg. But it's likely false and it's an awful rumour.
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:02 PM   #11770
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Here is the trend I always see here. Poster suggests a prospect from a team as a return in a trade. Other posters say that team would not move that prospect. Rinse and repeat.

Truth is we don't know who values what or who could be moved or couldn't. This is like a HF phenomenon that is starting to make its way here where any decent prospect is worth more than any established player. You can go back year after year there and see posters saying so and so prospect is not available and then at some point they are dealt.

The most overrated piece by far by fans is a 1st round pick. Yes, you can get a star player with a 1st rnd pick but the majority of them statistically end up busts. That is why I always say unless that 1st is a lottery pick in a good draft I would rather trade for good young players who have shown something.
Maybe we can find another Curtis Lazar or Hunter Shinkaruk. Put me in the group that has a tonne of faith in the amateur scouting staff that has hit on more drafts than not over the past 8-10 years and just give them more picks. There is usually a valid reason a team will give up on a 22 year old who just has not made it yet.
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Maybe we can find another Curtis Lazar or Hunter Shinkaruk. Put me in the group that has a tonne of faith in the amateur scouting staff that has hit on more drafts than not over the past 8-10 years and just give them more picks. There is usually a valid reason a team will give up on a 22 year old who just has not made it yet.
Those examples are different though... everyone knew those guys were reclamation projects. I was talking about guys performing well at the junior or pro level
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:34 PM   #11772
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Funny how attached teams are to decent prospects in their system now.

They used to get thrown in trades at a torrid rate for "now" pieces.

We need our Erat for Forsberg trade...
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:35 PM   #11773
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Funny how attached teams are to decent prospects now.

They used to get thrown in trades at a torrid rater for "now" pieces.

We need our Erat for Forsberg trade...
The story goes that the caps had no intent to take Forsberg until he fell to them. He wasn’t someone they knew well or were targeting so perhaps they were less attached.
Awful deal though
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:46 PM   #11774
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The story goes that the caps had no intent to take Forsberg until he fell to them. He wasn’t someone they knew well or were targeting so perhaps they were less attached.
Awful deal though
Wow that Oiler level incompetence. How do you not scout the entire draft class. Teams even scout picks they know will go 1st.
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:47 PM   #11775
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Awful deal though
Jamie Macoun scored more points for Toronto than everyone we got back in that trade combined. Ignoring Gilmour. But, hey, the Flames got some "established players".

I'll see myself out.
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Old 11-27-2023, 07:15 PM   #11776
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Jamie Macoun scored more points for Toronto than everyone we got back in that trade combined. Ignoring Gilmour. But, hey, the Flames got some "established players".

I'll see myself out.
the day it went down, for sure I felt we lost all 5 of the player for player swaps, and arguably that night I thought we were maybe getting one of the five best players in the trade


that was so obviously bad I don't know what to say
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the day it went down, for sure I felt we lost all 5 of the player for player swaps, and arguably that night I thought we were maybe getting one of the five best players in the trade


that was so obviously bad I don't know what to say
Yeah, every team has their "worst trade".

For Flames fans, even if Doug Gilmour wasn't part of the "Gilmour trade", we still lost it.
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Old 11-27-2023, 07:42 PM   #11778
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Well, they don't call him Scorrey Perry for nothing.

I doubt this rumour is true though. I would think he could file a grievance with the NHLPA if he got kicked off the team for doing something legal and consensual with another person. Unless he was flaunting it or something to Bedard. It's really not the business of his employer who he does the deed with.
20 years ago,you were likely right.

Now? It’s a different story.
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20 years ago,you were likely right.

Now? It’s a different story.
Eh... I dunno about you but I've thought Corey Perry was a mother####er the whole time.
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Should be fun when Perry becomes an Oiler (because they love their blacklisted players) and face off agains the Hawks.

Don't hold back, Connor!
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