This is interesting. I don't know if it means anything or not...but it certainly looks bad from a public perspective, as I think most voters would assume a 5th plea is the same as being guilty.
Hang on you need to get roasted a little bit more for this. This has been by far your worst post on this site. Not only does it not make any sense, I'm actually stunned you haven't been suspended / banned for it. I'm actually still a little stunned you wrote this...!
In all seriousness I don't really want you to get suspended, I have enjoyed the fact there is a variant opinion in here even if I don't really agree with it. I've just seen people get suspended for what I would consider much less. It's pretty misogynistic.
Anyway I read and re-read your sentence to make sure I think I understand it's even what you wrote or meant to write... but wow. It's the most illogical ridiculous thing I've read in here for a long time. How exactly are you connecting those dots?
No, it's not. It's perfectly reasonable, if a bit...crass...in its wording.
1. The Monika Lewinsky affair happened. And more or less how I describe. All parties agree to the facts.
2. Clinton made a calculated move to stay with Bill, ride it out, manage the situation, and save her own political career in the process. I regard this as prioritizing long term political gain over dignity.
3. You could switch the genders in my statement, and it would still be a perfectly logical point. The claims of misogyny are typical pointless over-reaction by the SJW set. It's a highly predictable response. People think that the word misogyny has some sort of power, even if it is in-accurate.
4. The innuendo and questionable pictures regarding Ivanka and Trump's incestuous relationship are far more disgusting, and are woven throughout this discussion going back some time. Let's not fall into the double-standards trap.
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The first three points of Buster's are by no means controversial and the last one is a fair criticism. I have found the wisecracks about incest to be completely in poor taste as well.
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No, it's not. It's perfectly reasonable, if a bit...crass...in its wording.
1. The Monika Lewinsky affair happened. And more or less how I describe. All parties agree to the facts.
2. Clinton made a calculated move to stay with Bill, ride it out, manage the situation, and save her own political career in the process. I regard this as prioritizing long term political gain over dignity.
3. You could switch the genders in my statement, and it would still be a perfectly logical point. The claims of misogyny are typical pointless over-reaction by the SJW set. It's a highly predictable response. People think that the word misogyny has some sort of power, even if it is in-accurate.
4. The innuendo and questionable pictures regarding Ivanka and Trump's incestuous relationship are far more disgusting, and are woven throughout this discussion going back some time. Let's not fall into the double-standards trap.
hahaha classic, thanks for the laughs buster!
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The first three points of Buster's are by no means controversial and the last one is a fair criticism. I have found the wisecracks about incest to be completely in poor taste as well.
disagree, let's look at point number 2 for example.
Buster, you, nor anyone else has any idea as to the inner workings of the Clinton's marriage. That you presume you do speaks more about you than about Clinton somehow in some weird way being "regarded" as swapping dignity for power because of a desk she will sit in which every living president in memory has sat in.
It's not relevant, and colossally stupid.
edit- also peter, you know I love you but for a guy who continually acts appalled every time someone who's left leaning refuses to address positions as mutually exclusive and constantly reaches for a compare, you're being awfully hypocritical here.
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Is Ivanka Trump really as capable as she appears? I don't think I've ever seen her take a wrong step. She's like anti-Donald. Classy, sounds smart, articulate, charming. This is a new interview with her discussing maternity leave.
Well, I will work on being more balanced but everything he has said was basically mainstream opinion until this election.
I don't think there's anything about her "losing dignity" that's mainstream opinion, is there? Has that been documented or something?
Do you people really think that back at the time that happened, and she decided to stay with her marriage (lots of people do after infidelity), it was all a massive strategic ploy because she had her eye on the presidency?
Do you think the majority of opinion is that she has no dignity? I honestly don't think so.
I don't think there's anything about her "losing dignity" that's mainstream opinion, is there? Has that been documented or something?
Do you people really think that back at the time that happened, and she decided to stay with her marriage (lots of people do after infidelity), it was all a massive strategic ploy because she had her eye on the presidency?
Do you think the majority of opinion is that she has no dignity? I honestly don't think so.
Not held by the majority but the notion was pretty anchored in the mainstream. Hitchens wrote a book on the subject, for instance.
You only have to go back to 2008 in order to find a strong narrative from the Left that she was a conniving, unprincipled Machiavellian.
Ok, how does that speak to not having any dignity though? I think that's where I get lost.
Infidelity = no dignity, unless you end the relationship? Is that what buster's getting at? I honestly don't even get it. And I really wouldn't identify myself as a SJW or anything either.
I think it falls into the narrative that she will do anything to win.
It isn't a strong point by any means, but not worth everyone's histrionic eyerolls either.
The context of my statement was her medical records. I was wondering why her private medical history would be such a blow to her dignity - which is the rationale for her not to release them at the moment.
Medical records seem like a minor point to me, considering what she had to handle the Lewinsky situation from start to finish. That episode was indignity after indignity for her.
It was a very public indignity that she (and they) seemed to handle with a pretty impressive resolve.
Would she be more respectable for pulling away from Bill and their family?
The fact that people would insinuate the only reason she stayed was to gain future political points is pretty ridiculous. They are still a family, people that are related to each other and love each other. Plenty of people have handled similar situations in a much worse fashion without the added pressure of a husband in the highest office and literally every single person in the world knowing about it.
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It was a very public indignity that she (and they) seemed to handle with a pretty impressive resolve.
Would she be more respectful for pulling away from Bill and their family?
The fact that people would insinuate the only reason she stayed was to gain future political points is pretty ridiculous. They are still a family, people that are related to each other and love each other. Plenty of people have handled similar situations in a much worse fashion without the added pressure of a husband in the highest office and literally every single person in the world knowing about it.
It's unfortunate that people mistake my cynicism for misogyny. People have to be careful to not trivialize these words - a real problem with the Trump-ophobes in general, actually.
I'm picturing all of the sensitive souls in this thread, flushed in the face, fainting behind their keyboards for having been forced to read my comment. "Dear, fix me some tea...I've just been offended on the internet."
