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Old 02-27-2023, 04:24 PM   #11721
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It's pronounced "lernd" Pepe.

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Old 02-27-2023, 04:28 PM   #11722
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I’ve used it in both the Magistrate and Crown Courts here in the UK as a general comment for anyone on the other side.
I won't comment on any Court outside of Canada.
I thought it was for all Barristers in the UK? But this is not based upon practice, but simply reading...
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Old 02-27-2023, 04:28 PM   #11723
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Yeah, if Treliving is trading any of his pending UFAs I doubt it'll be for just draft picks and prospects. It's going to be to mix things up.

Treliving has said he thinks it's a good team that's underperformed and I agree. As much as some people want him to blow it up it's not happening. Too much was invested long term this summer to just give up after one bad season.

I also think that we've seen the floor for this team and it will be better next season. With average goaltending they are a playoff team, so I don't think that they will blow it up. I would like them to start making some decisions for increasing their draft capital. Make a call on some players, trade some away, and retool (again) in the summer.
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Old 02-27-2023, 04:32 PM   #11724
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https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...llow-rules-gms

Nothing we haven't heard before - But a few interesting examples :

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Teams in Nashville's position don't always make the pivot to trading players at the deadline. Some delude themselves, and their fans, by continuing a futile push for the postseason.

"Some teams will try to win a playoff round. Some teams will try and change their placement in the playoffs," Burke said. "But it leads to overpayment and bad decisions."

Being honest about a team's chances is one step; being honest about the players on that team, and in the system, is just as important.
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Take the Calgary Flames, for example. Forward Matthew Phillips was a leading scorer in the AHL who could have increased value at the trade deadline with a little spotlight on the main roster. He came up for two games in December, playing less than 10 minutes in both. He hasn't been seen since. Said Darryl Sutter in December: "There's a big difference between American League to the NHL in terms of production."

I heard the Flames would have liked a little more showcase time for Phillips. Alas, it's Sutter's lineup card.
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Old 02-27-2023, 04:33 PM   #11725
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It's pronounced "lernd" Pepe.
Pepsi. His name was Pepsi...

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I also think that we've seen the floor for this team and it will be better next season. With average goaltending they are a playoff team, so I don't think that they will blow it up. I would like them to start making some decisions for increasing their draft capital. Make a call on some players, trade some away, and retool (again) in the summer.
I wouldn't mind if they blew it up but I don't think they need to either. If Markstrom played like he did last year, they probably are contending for the division.

That being said they have at least 1 NHL ready prospect in Zary. They also have 9 forwards in their top 9 that deserves to be top 9 forwards in this league. If there is a problem, it's a lack of star players in the top 9.

They also need cap space next year. Zary in someone out of the top 9 traded just makes sense. If Jeannot is getting what he got, McCabe and Lafferty landed a bunch too. Seems like trading a player for picks now is a good option. Toffoli is my choice as he is having a career year and has a very tradeable contract.
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Old 02-27-2023, 04:48 PM   #11727
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I wouldn't mind if they blew it up but I don't think they need to either. If Markstrom played like he did last year, they probably are contending for the division.

That being said they have at least 1 NHL ready prospect in Zary. They also have 9 forwards in their top 9 that deserves to be top 9 forwards in this league. If there is a problem, it's a lack of star players in the top 9.

They also need cap space next year. Zary in someone out of the top 9 traded just makes sense. If Jeannot is getting what he got, McCabe and Lafferty landed a bunch too. Seems like trading a player for picks now is a good option. Toffoli is my choice as he is having a career year and has a very tradeable contract.

I agree in terms of talent and cap space. Also, this season seems out of sync so get some assets back and retool in the summer.



I would be okay with a full rebuild but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that is the team's direction.I also can't say that a team that has players who want to be there and signed long term should just instantly give up on the roster after one bad season. Seems like a bad way to build an organization.



I would be surprised if the Flames aren't quietly listening to offers on players.They may not do anything because they are looking forward to next season or they'd like to keep said players hoping for a rebound year. It seems silly to not improve your organizational depth in a supposed really good draft year when the team isn't performing.



If the returns are good, I'd be listening on anyone not over 25 years old.
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Old 02-27-2023, 04:48 PM   #11728
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I see the Flames seeing that the direct competitors for the final playoff spot are selling and sees this as an opportunity to buy instead. End up spending middle of the road future assets for middle of the road help now and coming up short to even making the playoffs.
They only need a goalie if the goal is playoffs

Even a middle of the road goalie will probably do

Literally a waste of time to address anything else ahead of that

But they should probably sell
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I won't comment on any Court outside of Canada.
I thought it was for all Barristers in the UK? But this is not based upon practice, but simply reading...
That is accurate, mainly used by Barristers here as general lingo during proceedings.
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Old 02-27-2023, 04:58 PM   #11730
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I think you have a different idea than some others about what a plan is and how detailed and rigid it must be.

But your evidence of a non-plan is your opinion of the quality of a presentation? Or the timing and who was contacted (which was not a unilateral decision)? Let's say for the sake of argument it was a horrible presentation and was delivered badly. How does that translate into "no plan" (as opposed to "crappy execution of a plan").
What type of presentation is needed to keep your own free agent. The guy was in the organization for 10 years if you need to make a big power point presentation to keep him well he was never worth keeping anyways.

I also find it funny that the Flames would show people what they are showing the players.

I wonder why he came back the next day and tried to come back but was told no.
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Old 02-27-2023, 05:02 PM   #11731
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They only need a goalie if the goal is playoffs

Even a middle of the road goalie will probably do

Literally a waste of time to address anything else ahead of that

But they should probably sell
There are others things besides goaltending holding this team back. If you look at the D and Forwards there seems to be a lot of guys that are good 5 on 5 and on the PK but this team is lacking players who are high end PP players. This team is bad on the PP

Tkachuk and Gaudreau were high end PP players.

When you build your team on with depth rather than superstars, this is the concern. Other than Huberdeau who is having a bad season, none of the Flames players are guys that you would label as high-end PP players. None of the defense is either.

You can't PP your way to the cup like the Oilers are trying, but advanced stats have led to people disregarding it too much as well as an important piece to winning a cup. Top end teams have lethal powerplays most years.
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Old 02-27-2023, 05:21 PM   #11732
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It's all well and good to play fantasy GM and sell off but realistically who would still be interested in acquiring these players the Flames could offer that also have the picks Tampa and Toronto just spent?
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Old 02-27-2023, 05:29 PM   #11733
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It's all well and good to play fantasy GM and sell off but realistically who would still be interested in acquiring these players the Flames could offer that also have the picks Tampa and Toronto just spent?
Dallas has prospects/young players and future firsts/second this year.
Colorado has young players/current and future firsts.
Carolina has prospects/young players/current and future picks.

Ahhh Carolina. Must be nice.
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Old 02-27-2023, 06:35 PM   #11734
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Dallas might be looking for a D, but Carolina and LA might be the last big players.
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Old 02-27-2023, 06:47 PM   #11735
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What type of presentation is needed to keep your own free agent. The guy was in the organization for 10 years if you need to make a big power point presentation to keep him well he was never worth keeping anyways.

I also find it funny that the Flames would show people what they are showing the players.

I wonder why he came back the next day and tried to come back but was told no.
I suspect the usual presentation is "here's what we offer, and why, including cap spce, comparables and expected results". Maybe some forecasting of lines etc.
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Old 02-27-2023, 08:14 PM   #11736
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Taking an approach of a retool is likely the only true path forward with the big contracts signed on this team and not giving in when 2 of those players have off years. There is an interesting shift the team can make in terms of moving some of the guys with a year and a half left.

Cashing in on Backlund, Toffoli, and one of Tanev or Zadorov makes a lot of sense in the long term. Call up Zary, Philips and sign Coronato to play on the team late in the year. Open up some cap flexibility, get a look at the kids, and have assets to acquire a young cornerstone player when they are available with the additional picks acquired by the deadline sell off.
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Old 02-27-2023, 08:21 PM   #11737
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Taking an approach of a retool is likely the only true path forward with the big contracts signed on this team and not giving in when 2 of those players have off years. There is an interesting shift the team can make in terms of moving some of the guys with a year and a half left.

Cashing in on Backlund, Toffoli, and one of Tanev or Zadorov makes a lot of sense in the long term. Call up Zary, Philips and sign Coronato to play on the team late in the year. Open up some cap flexibility, get a look at the kids, and have assets to acquire a young cornerstone player when they are available with the additional picks acquired by the deadline sell off.

It does look like we will have to make room for Zary next season up the middle.

He brings youth and surprisingly good speed.

If we can convince Coronato to sign the younger pieces up front look good.

We can use the vet to get some prospects to add on the back end and draft picks.
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Old 02-27-2023, 08:24 PM   #11738
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It does look like we will have to make room for Zary next season up the middle.

He brings youth and surprisingly good speed.

If we can convince Coronato to sign the younger pieces up front look good.

We can use the vet to get some prospects to add on the back end and draft picks.
on backend flames - if locked up could easily run with weegar, Anderson, hanafin as a solid trio. I think they need to add an offensive guy for the PP.
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Old 02-27-2023, 08:25 PM   #11739
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Taking an approach of a retool is likely the only true path forward with the big contracts signed on this team and not giving in when 2 of those players have off years. There is an interesting shift the team can make in terms of moving some of the guys with a year and a half left.

Cashing in on Backlund, Toffoli, and one of Tanev or Zadorov makes a lot of sense in the long term. Call up Zary, Philips and sign Coronato to play on the team late in the year. Open up some cap flexibility, get a look at the kids, and have assets to acquire a young cornerstone player when they are available with the additional picks acquired by the deadline sell off.
I would love this.

Finishing off the year with Zary, Phillips, Coronato and Wolf getting looks would be fun

Hope > retaining all the vets for a quick 1st round exit
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Old 02-27-2023, 08:27 PM   #11740
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It's all well and good to play fantasy GM and sell off but realistically who would still be interested in acquiring these players the Flames could offer that also have the picks Tampa and Toronto just spent?
Anyone who’d like a shot at beating those teams.

Pittsburgh, for one - I imagine they’d pay a fortune to get Lindholm and Hanifin for two runs for less than $5M.
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