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Old 05-03-2021, 03:19 PM   #11721
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Sam Bennett had 12 points last season

And that is relevant how?

Bennett was playing 4th line minutes, now he’s getting top 6 and pp time.

Monny is on a less than a 50 point pace although until recently he was playing top line and 1st pp minutes. Now I doubt he’s healthy and hasn’t been for some time. Until he proves he is, he’ll be valued as such.

It looks like Sutter is turning him into the checking centre, since his shot seems to have disappeared. He’ll be lucky to break 40 points next season unless his current usage changes.


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And that is relevant how?

Bennett was playing 4th line minutes, now he’s getting top 6 and pp time.
Wonder what his deployment will be like when Verhaeghe comes back from injury.
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Old 05-03-2021, 03:24 PM   #11723
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Wonder what his deployment will be like when Verhaeghe comes back from injury.
Probably no different since Verhaeghe has been on Barkov's wing most of the time...
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Old 05-03-2021, 03:26 PM   #11724
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And that is relevant how?

Bennett was playing 4th line minutes, now he’s getting top 6 and pp time.

Monny is on a less than a 50 point pace although until recently he was playing top line and 1st pp minutes. Now I doubt he’s healthy and hasn’t been for some time. Until he proves he is, he’ll be valued as such.

It looks like Sutter is turning him into the checking centre, since his shot seems to have disappeared. He’ll be lucky to break 40 points next season unless his current usage changes.


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Are you suggesting Bennett played the entire season on the 4th line? because he didn't
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Old 05-03-2021, 03:45 PM   #11725
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What could 13 accomplish with a true #1 centre?
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Old 05-03-2021, 03:52 PM   #11726
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What could 13 accomplish with a true #1 centre?
It would be nice to find out in Calgary
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Old 05-03-2021, 04:05 PM   #11727
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What will Gaudreau accomplish on a team that is playing fast and aggressive hockey?


Tune in next season as he puts on the Flaming C under Sutter to find out.
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Old 05-03-2021, 04:16 PM   #11728
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What could 13 accomplish with a true #1 centre?


He had some crazy chemistry with MacKinnon
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Old 05-03-2021, 04:57 PM   #11729
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He had some crazy chemistry with MacKinnon
Watching that tournament was when I believed that Johnny was going to stack up with McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon etc. I remember thinking his ceiling was one of the best offensive players of this generation. A true franchise player.
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Old 05-03-2021, 05:02 PM   #11730
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He had some crazy chemistry with MacKinnon
I'm officially depressed watching that. I was so optimistic on the outlook of the Flames then. He looked fantastic all tournament.
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Are you suggesting Bennett played the entire season on the 4th line? because he didn't

He has generally played bottom 6, with little PP and OT play.

Now he is playing top 6 with lots of PP and OT time.

The very definition of apples and oranges.


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Old 05-03-2021, 07:43 PM   #11732
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He has generally played bottom 6, with little PP and OT play.

Now he is playing top 6 with lots of PP and OT time.

The very definition of apples and oranges.


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Out of necessity, not merit.

Shiny New Penny + confirmation bias = 400+ games of mediocrity

Is that your equation?! The Bennett fanboys are fawning like they were after his first games as a Flames and can't figure out what went wrong.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:56 PM   #11733
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Out of necessity, not merit.

Shiny New Penny + confirmation bias = 400+ games of mediocrity

Is that your equation?! The Bennett fanboys are fawning like they were after his first games as a Flames and can't figure out what went wrong.

Debating Bennett is fine but why attack the poster because they have a different opinion? Did they call you a fanboy, if not then why?? Lots of good points on both sides no need to target the posters.
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Debating Bennett is fine but why attack the poster because they have a different opinion? Did they call you a fanboy, if not then why?? Lots of good points on both sides no need to target the posters.
I never called him or implied that he was a fanboy.

Had I said 'You and your Bennett fanboy brethren...', you might have a point.

Move along.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:05 PM   #11735
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I never called him or implied that he was a fanboy.

Had I said 'You and your Bennett fanboy brethren...', you might have a point.

Move along.

I think you know exactly who you meant, no need to target the posters. People have different opinions and that is ok.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:07 PM   #11736
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I think you know exactly who you meant, no need to target the posters. People have different opinions and that is ok.
No, you don't. I quite enjoy that poster and their perspective.
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Watching that tournament was when I believed that Johnny was going to stack up with McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon etc. I remember thinking his ceiling was one of the best offensive players of this generation. A true franchise player.
All those guys are centers, so that would have been unfair. But there's no reason to think he wouldn't be considered in the Kucherov tier if he had a Point tier center.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:29 PM   #11738
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I'm officially depressed watching that. I was so optimistic on the outlook of the Flames then. He looked fantastic all tournament.
The thing is he can still be that.
He was playing with ELITE/Franchise centers the entire tournament.

Eichel
Matthews
McDavid
MacKinnon

This is why I believe if we can go after Eichel and keep Johnny/lock him up long term we'd have a deadly/elite combo for the first line.

Monahan + Tkachuk + Pelletier and a 1st if need be for Eichel + Middlestat or Reinhart? something along those lines.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:32 PM   #11739
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Batherson + Norris would be awful. This team needs more elite talent and neither of those guys are that.
Stutzle is the obvious piece but unlikely.
Frankly the article is just someone filling space. Trading Tkachuk to Ottawa actually makes little sense for either team. The brother connection is the only reason it even gets talked about.
There are far better fits (like the aforementioned Kings)
I have to respectfully disagree. I think Tkachuk may be our main trade chip in landing an established #1C like Eichel, but if that fails, this deal with Ottawa would be the kind of deal I would love to see. Both Batherson and Norris are going to be stars one day; both have size, speed, and skill. In a few years, both will be better than Tkachuk has been this year, and both will be cheaper. I might even consider swapping out Norris for Pinto. Both those guys are #1C in the making.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:37 PM   #11740
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I'm officially depressed watching that. I was so optimistic on the outlook of the Flames then. He looked fantastic all tournament.
Johnny has brought that to Calgary plenty of times.

Too bad the team itself hasn't really come together.
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