11-06-2025, 05:00 PM
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#11681
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by stemit14
If true, that would leave very few options on a for Kadri that aren’t in the US. Winnipeg or Ottawa I guess?
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Jiri had a confusing double negative in there, but that rumor is that Vancouver and MTL would be eligible destinations.
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11-06-2025, 05:07 PM
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#11682
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Your point is you are taking Dreger's wild interpretation of some offhand second hand comments of what Murray Edwards personally thinks as what the Flames are definitely planning to do.
As opposed to what they've done, including this year seemingly getting Kadri to move up his NTC list.
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My point is that there's a bit of a gap between an insider trusting a source, which puts his reputation on the line, and a rumor you hear at Orange Julius or even the personal interaction you had with Edwards which you can spin out of context.
You obviously don't have to believe a word he says. I just find it strange you try to dismiss it outright without knowing the source. We'll see if it checks out by the trade deadline.
As for the NTC, a team and a player can't simply change the contact signed. If Kadri had a NTC this year, then all he could do is waive it. They couldn't change it to a 13 team limited-no-trade. This means that his contract had a 13 team list all along.
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11-06-2025, 05:12 PM
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#11683
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
My point is that there's a bit of a gap between an insider trusting a source, which puts his reputation on the line,
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Dreger knows perfectly well his reputation is not on the line for this. Like all other insiders, he frequently reports rumours about things that turn out not to happen, or rumours that things won't happen and it turns out that they do. His job is getting clicks and filling column inches, not having reliable information.
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11-06-2025, 05:14 PM
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#11684
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Jiri had a confusing double negative in there, but that rumor is that Vancouver and MTL would be eligible destinations.
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Correct. Not on the NTC.
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11-06-2025, 05:20 PM
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#11685
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First Line Centre
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People dismissing Dreger as if he doesn't have a cousin high up in the organization. He is usually pretty in the know about Flames things as a result.
I for one am not shocked at all. This is who the Flames are as an organization until they prove otherwise and start acting proactively instead of reactively.
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11-06-2025, 05:20 PM
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#11686
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Dreger knows perfectly well his reputation is not on the line for this. Like all other insiders, he frequently reports rumours about things that turn out not to happen, or rumours that things won't happen and it turns out that they do. His job is getting clicks and filling column inches, not having reliable information.
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That's fair, I still feel that Dreger is mostly a trusted source, but that's definitely not a hill I'm willing to die on. We'll see how things turn out closer to, and after the trade deadline. From my perspective, the rumor does seem to fit with the way the Flames have operated for years, and is a bit concerning.
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11-06-2025, 05:26 PM
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#11687
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Franchise Player
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Well I guess as long as Kadri is still here, they haven't actually traded him. We have this comment from Dreger and we also have Steinberg repeatedly saying that he has heard from the organization that nothing happens with Kadri until he comes to them asking for a trade.
That all kind of hangs together doesn't it?
Mangiapane is about the only player of consequence traded by Conroy before they were about to turn UFA.
I have sero issue with people wanting to discuss whether Kadri should be aggressively shopped this season.
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11-06-2025, 05:28 PM
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#11689
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Well I guess as long as Kadri is still here, they haven't actually traded him. We have this comment from Dreger and we also have Steinberg repeatedly saying that he has heard from the organization that nothing happens with Kadri until he comes to them asking for a trade.
That all kind of hangs together doesn't it?
Mangiapane is about the only player of consequence traded by Conroy before they were about to turn UFA.
I have sero issue with people wanting to discuss whether Kadri should be aggressively shopped this season.
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It is the same posters who are always very upset that people are criticizing the team. An organization that has TWO playoff series wins in the past 20 years.
Give me a break. The outrage is 100% justified.
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11-06-2025, 05:31 PM
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#11690
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Well I guess as long as Kadri is still here, they haven't actually traded him. We have this comment from Dreger and we also have Steinberg repeatedly saying that he has heard from the organization that nothing happens with Kadri until he comes to them asking for a trade.
That all kind of hangs together doesn't it?
Mangiapane is about the only player of consequence traded by Conroy before they were about to turn UFA.
I have sero issue with people wanting to discuss whether Kadri should be aggressively shopped this season.
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Markstrom
EDIT: I just remembered Toffoli was headed into the last year of his contract, similar to Mangiapane.
Last edited by gvitaly; 11-06-2025 at 05:33 PM.
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11-06-2025, 05:35 PM
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#11691
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First Line Centre
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Kyrou has all world talent but has always struggled with providing consistent effort. I've said it on multiple occasions but if ever a coach could get Kyrou to give it his all, he would be without a doubt a 100 point player and would be a top winger in the league.
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11-06-2025, 05:46 PM
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#11692
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Muta
If Edwards wants Kadri to stay in Calgary, then he really is a short-sighted businessman. From an emotional standpoint, everyone wants Kadri to stay - he loves it here, we love him here; no issue with that. From an asset management standpoint however, dude is 35 and is up against the clock now for his production and effectiveness. He's one of the few chips we have that we can leverage to help build this team's future.
Murray likely just sees dollar signs from potential playoff games, and nothing else (as farfetched as that sounds looking at our record, but they're always like this). That's the only reason I can think that we would hold onto Kadri for the long-term. And Murray better hope that Kadri pulls a Pavelski, because it gets riskier and riskier from this point on.
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Yes, it's not only a bad hockey mindset, but a bad business mindset as well.
The emotional aspect, useless, is the only other justification.
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11-06-2025, 06:03 PM
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#11693
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Franchise Player
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Will we ever truly know how aggressively or passively Kadri has been shopped even after he's dealt? I doubt it. We can agree he was passively shopped at a rate of 0 being most passive/least aggressive and 10 being least passive/most aggressive) if he plays out his contract here. Beyond that...
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11-06-2025, 06:08 PM
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#11694
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
I think he should not be saying anything at all because Conroy is the GM.
This is reminding me of Jerry Jones with the Cowboys. Lunatic owner thinks his team is just one piece away.
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I can confirm that there is no restraint by Edwards on Conroy trading any of our players. It's been that way since he was hired and still is. If Conroy gets an offer for Kadri he likes he can trade him. I think what was actually said by Edwards is that Kadri has been an important piece of our core and a valuable member of not only the team but the community as well. That is my understanding. So Dreger is spinning what was said a bit for clicks.
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11-06-2025, 06:15 PM
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#11695
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
Markstrom
EDIT: I just remembered Toffoli was headed into the last year of his contract, similar to Mangiapane.
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Players with term are almost never traded in the NHL, less than 20% of trades in the NHL involve players with a full year or more left on their contract. Of the 8 vets Conroy has traded 37.5% of the players had a full year or more left on their contract. While I doubt such facts will convince at least one faction of Flames fans they are the facts.
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11-06-2025, 07:02 PM
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#11696
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I can confirm that there is no restraint by Edwards on Conroy trading any of our players. It's been that way since he was hired and still is. If Conroy gets an offer for Kadri he likes he can trade him. I think what was actually said by Edwards is that Kadri has been an important piece of our core and a valuable member of not only the team but the community as well. That is my understanding. So Dreger is spinning what was said a bit for clicks.
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Very much matches what I've been told as well, no restrictions in terms of withholding players from being able to be traded.
If anything, like I said previously, I think Edwards was simply doing right by Kadri and being honest that he respects him for coming here and giving it his all, on and off the ice.
This was interesting to read: (I think its too much) - Taken from Hockey Writers website:
(sound like he's a Oiler fan/beat writer so obviously fiction at this point)
Golden Knights Land Rasmus Andersson in Suggested Blockbuster With Flames
TLDR:
VGK receive:
Rasmus Andersson + Extension
CGY receive:
Brett Howden
Raphael Lavoie
Jakob Ihs-Wozniak
2027 1st
2026 2nd
2028 3rd round picks.
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11-06-2025, 07:09 PM
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#11697
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Franchise Player
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Yeah, what was Edwards going to say on the day that Naz celebrated 1,000 games?
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