Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Slava

I feel like I’ve posted shots against the UCP and Danielle Smith, but honestly they probably just blend in with all the others? But, even saying that, the name calling and petulance is something we could do without.



I can’t recall who was saying that, but it’s definitely been brought up here. There are people who like to discuss these things and I think they were hoping for a rational defence of why someone would vote UCP.

I think in the rational defence one has to include some thoughts and justification on a few things:

1) Hitler, what are your thoughts? Compare and contrast vaccines with what Adolph did
2) Cancer, as someone who had a parent die of cancer I do not think it was her fault. Some UCP voters may think it was. Why is that?
3) Children? Are the wrong children like pieces of #### in your cereal? Why or why not.

I am sure there are other tenants of the Danielle Smith led UCP that could require a rational discussion, but those are 3 off the top of my head.

[PsYcNeT]

Election is over.

I just saw someone on Nextdoor earnestly claim that the Herald is socialist and Trevor Tombe is a liar.

This is the level of brainrot that has set in.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think in the rational defence one has to include some thoughts and justification on a few things:

1) Hitler, what are your thoughts? Compare and contrast vaccines with what Adolph did
2) Cancer, as someone who had a parent die of cancer I do not think it was her fault. Some UCP voters may think it was. Why is that?
3) Children? Are the wrong children like pieces of #### in your cereal? Why or why not.

I am sure there are other tenants of the Danielle Smith led UCP that could require a rational discussion, but those are 3 off the top of my head.

Well from my point of view, it’s hard to believe how this election is even close. How anyone justifies supporting one of those statements let alone all three (and then some!), is beyond me.

[Yoho]

Some last minute fire power support.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1662083160983871493

[Roughneck]

An endorsement from a career Ottawa politician? How unfortunate for the Alberta first crowd.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Some last minute fire power support.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1662083160983871493

Little late there Polli-B.

[calgarygeologist]

Janet Brown seems to think that the UCP are cruising to victory and that the NDP probably haven't done enough to turn the voters.

After trailing in the polls for years, the United Conservative Party appears poised to win a majority next Monday, according to a new CBC News poll.

"If you asked me four months ago how I thought this election was going to turn out, I'd say the NDP was going cruise to victory," said Calgary-based pollster Janet Brown, who conducted the random survey of 1,200 Alberta voters.

Brown thinks the ruling UCP turned things around with their big-spending campaign promises, beginning in early April.

Using CBC News' polling results, Brown predicts the UCP is likely to capture 51 of the 87 seats in Alberta's Legislative Assembly

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6855265

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Janet Brown seems to think that the UCP are cruising to victory and that the NDP probably haven't done enough to turn the voters.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6855265

Brown's obviously a great pollster, but I have a really hard time believing that voters age 18-24 are favouring the UCP by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Brown's obviously a great pollster, but I have a really hard time believing that voters age 18-24 are favouring the UCP by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

That definitely goes against other polls and the common conception that young people support the NDP.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Slava

Haha, it’s so hilarious to me. I have friends who are just legitimate conservatives (not far right, but just long-time conservatives if you see my distinction) and they goad me for being a leftist and too liberal. Somehow on CP though, I’m not left enough. It’s actually awesome! I don’t think I’ve moved that far right, and if anything I’m much more liberal socially than I was a decade ago. I’m glad I’m not insane though, and that someone else noticed this!

I think your friends are focusing on your social values and is why they see you as leftist / liberal.

I think most of the CP discussions here have been almost exclusively financial in focus and nature lately, which is why you’re viewed as conservative.

It seems you’re one of those financially conservative / socially liberal people that can be viewed in many ways, having misinterpretations of your entire position as a result. IMO You’re just as misrepresented in our political parties as most of us.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

I’m not entirely sure of how it goes if the UCP loses. I could see a split again between the “progressive” conservatives and the freedom/wild rose component. I can’t imagine that a lot of UPC candidates are super happy having to defend her comments on doorsteps. It seems pretty obvious to me that if they had a reasonable leader, the UPC would be cruising to another majority. The knives will be out for her pretty quickly.

I talked to my UCP candidate - Chris Davis - about TBA taking over the party and he said everyone needs to get out the next AGM and make sure they don’t win more seats on the board. Sounds like it will be a battle royale. I might have to join the party for a day just for the spectacle.

Chris seems like a decent and capable moderate but no way I’ll vote for the current party.

[PepsiFree]

It’ll be interesting to see how close Janet Brown’s predictions are. AFAIK the great reputation is mostly based off two elections where they predicted a Conservative victory and there was one (which is not impressive in Alberta, but they did get the seat count incredibly close). Conveniently, it doesn’t seem like they did any polling for the election when the NDP won.

I can’t imagine the method of repeatedly reaching out on landlines gathers a whole lot of today’s 18-24 year olds.

[puffnstuff]

Former wildrose/pc MLA from Med Hat, Blake Pederson is voting NDP.
Points to the current ucps extreme ideology and radical policies as the reason why.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I talked to my UCP candidate - Chris Davis - about TBA taking over the party and he said everyone needs to get out the next AGM and make sure they don’t win more seats on the board. Sounds like it will be a battle royale. I might have to join the party for a day just for the spectacle.

Chris seems like a decent and capable moderate but no way I’ll vote for the current party.

"I'm sorry, Chris, but when you have just a few TBAs feeling at home in your party, even if everyone else is a wonderful and moderate politician, it's like mixing a tiny bit of feces into a batch of cookie dough. The whole batch is ruined."

[Fuzz]

It seems insane to me to vote for a party where they tell you there is a war going on, and you may have a new premier within a year. Who? Who knows! But we do know they'll be guaranteed 4 years of chaos. How anyone in their right might can vote for the UCP, knowing this, is beyond me.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

I can’t believe that Chelsea is the front runner with her TBA “women belong in the kitchen” ties. On Wednesday she was on a panel and said the UCP was a pro-life party and she didn’t think women should have the right to choose.

What the flying #### — I thought this issue (and LGBTQ rights) were already “solved” by majority consensus — why does it seem like we’re going backwards? Come on Alberta, this isn’t who we are.

You wouldn't think so, but maybe it is? Ever since Trump it seems the far right populist regressive movement just seems to be growing.

I keep thinking that all of the hate, vitriol, xenophobia, science denying, racially motivated stupidity is just a social media echo chamber. Then I talk to people, people who are still not comfortable with being outright racist in public but talk about covid hoaxes, secret cabals, regressive immigration policy, Russia being the good guys and I'm stuck wondering. I wonder if it's the other way around.

Is it kindness and acceptance that's an online mirage? Have we strayed so far as people that basic compassion and human rights that have long been accepted need to be reopened and stripped away from the people? Who would have thought that in the 2020s we would be discussing the right to abortion access? Proclaiming that scientists and doctors are liars and idiots. Condemning people for their political affiliation.

I imagine it's only going to get worse until these people get what they wish for. The dust will settle and history will look back at the oxymoron of selfish people giving away all their freedoms in the name of freedom, giving their land to corporations to spite government (their own)ownership and their finances to leaders who will use it to wage financial war against them.

As one of the many who considers themselves right of center the current political landscape is a wasteland of extremism. NDP may not be my party, but hopefully they can pull this out and we can get some reform on the other side. Another benefit would be that maybe the cons don't take us for granted, but I doubt it.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1662089316422795268

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661834055313248258


Quito's Twitter has a few posts worth reading. It'll be interesting how this plays out amongst the pollsters. Someone is eating hats.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by jammies

I vehemently disagree with just about every point Yoho has ever made, but the constant personal attacks reflect poorly on those of you making them. I know directing your anger at an identifiable target makes you feel better - it's cathartic. It's also distracting and pointless.

If your argument has descended into continually calling someone names, you've lost the argument. Be the better person.

Hell ya! Said better than I ever could.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by fuzz

quito's twitter has a few posts worth reading. It'll be interesting how this plays out amongst the pollsters. Someone is eating hats.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661141181395505152

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661817235680239616

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Brown's obviously a great pollster, but I have a really hard time believing that voters age 18-24 are favouring the UCP by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

What if they are rich, spoiled entitled kids who vote with their parents? They may be more politically invested. There may be more political talk around the dinner table. Voters aged 18-24 are different than general kids 18-24.