2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

John Scott was a top LW'er in Ricardo's mind

all stars are voted on by sports writers at the end of the season

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It's a weird dynamic.

Draft picks are seemingly worth more at the draft than during the season. Of course that isn't really the case but it plays out that way every single year.

Brodie would fetch a 1st right now, no doubt in my mind. At the draft though? Highly debatable. Grown ass men get caught up in the hype/excitement of something that comes every year (all scenarios TDL, draft, UFA) and consistently make choices they may not at other times of the year.

I can see Brodie going for a 2nd and a 3rd this summer.

Picks have a much higher degree of certainty at the draft. The draft order is set, and the player rankings are as final as they come.

[Moneyhands23]

There is now weekend hockey talk on 960 is there? Wish They had a show on especially this weekend.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Picks have a much higher degree of certainty at the draft. The draft order is set, and the player rankings are as final as they come.

But they aren't worth any more than they are today...that's the point.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Actually, it's nothing like that. In 2010 Brian Campbell was anchoring the Blackhawks' second pair with Hjalmarsson while Keith and Seabrook were the Blackhawks' top pair. Brian Campbell was also one of the highest paid defensemen in the NHL period, he had a similar cap hit to Sidney Crosby and a ton of term left on his deal. He was basically what Hanifin is for us, except with double Hanifin's cap hit.

It's more like the Blackhawks trading away Brent Seabrook because he was just a product of Duncan Keith.

Additionally, because Brodie only has a year of term left, his highest value is to the Calgary Flames. Rebuilding teams want term, competing teams want performance / $.

Lol that Seabrook contract is now crushing them though. Bad analogy

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pretty much all of that "effort" involves us trading away our #2 defenseman so forgive me if I don't think Treliving has the same designs.

Yes, there are ways we can squeeze in a top 6F within the cap and not be reckless with our defense core, but most of them involve packaging negative value contracts like Mike Stone and James Neal with picks/prospects. And the irony of that is that we ostensibly need Mike Stone to convince Mark Stone to re-sign.

What GM is going to trade away their #2 guy, even if it means getting a top 6 player in the lineup? Top defensemen dont get trade...

Unless they do....

But when a fanbase is in love with a player who's value has never been higher, it would be crazy to trade them...

Dougie Hamilton was the Flames #2 guy and was traded....

The Flames have extra guys right now and the loss of Brodie wouldn't hurt to much especially if it meant adding a guy like Stone to the lineup.

Anything is possible and none of us are the GM so no one should be acting like they know exactly what will happen. You can guess, and ultimately someone will be right but as of right now, no one knows what will happen so don't cut down someone's ideas down because you don't agree with them.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol that Seabrook contract is now crushing them though. Bad analogy

Also seems to be admitting that Brodie is “just a product of playing with Gio”.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Every day, 2 or 3 posters put in a bunch of effort, outline all the contracts, and show how easily the Flames can fit a top 6 forward under the cap while keeping Tkachuk.

Then 10 posters ignore that, and say “can’t you see we can’t afford this!”, by spending zero effort looking into it. It’s annoying as hell.

True

However, I would draw a distinction between "making the numbers work" and the Flames being "able to afford him".

We could make McDavid's hit work too, if it came down to it.

the problem is that some of the trades suggested to cut salary are accepted carte blanche... but maybe the Flames don't want to trade Brodie? Maybe they'd rather keep Frolik. Maybe the returns aren't great on either or both...Trading Neal is a pretty much impossible unless calgary is eating salary and giving up assets

Maybe they don't want to imbalance the cap by having a guy at 9-9.5 with Tkachuk at 8-8.5? If those guy get that, what are Johnny and Monny worth? 10? 11? when their contracts are up?

I'm as guilty as anyone else when it comes to Stone... i think he'd be a guy that could push the Flames over the top... but there's a lot to consider. Frankly the more I think about losing Dube and/or Kylington the more hesitant i get...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It's a weird dynamic.

Draft picks are seemingly worth more at the draft than during the season. Of course that isn't really the case but it plays out that way every single year.

Brodie would fetch a 1st right now, no doubt in my mind. At the draft though? Highly debatable. Grown ass men get caught up in the hype/excitement of something that comes every year (all scenarios TDL, draft, UFA) and consistently make choices they may not at other times of the year.

I can see Brodie going for a 2nd and a 3rd this summer.

Assuming Brodie doesn't collapse down the stretch, he's easily worth a first in the offseason. It's not even debatable.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

What does that have to do with not being a top 10 dman? Do you actually watch any Flames games or just put out silly posts for fun?

you are saying that Gio was not in decline a season ago? Do you actually watch Flames games or are you just trolling me?

Gio 2018-19 >>>> Gio 2017-18

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

you are saying that Gio was not in decline a season ago? Do you actually watch Flames games or are you just trolling me?

Gio 2018-19 >>>> Gio 2017-18

He is playing at a Norris level right now. He also had a great season last year.
/shrug

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Poe969

What GM is going to trade away their #2 guy, even if it means getting a top 6 player in the lineup? Top defensemen dont get trade...

Unless they do....

But when a fanbase is in love with a player who's value has never been higher, it would be crazy to trade them...

Dougie Hamilton was the Flames #2 guy and was traded....

The Flames have extra guys right now and the loss of Brodie wouldn't hurt to much especially if it meant adding a guy like Stone to the lineup.

Anything is possible and none of us are the GM so no one should be acting like they know exactly what will happen. You can guess, and ultimately someone will be right but as of right now, no one knows what will happen so don't cut down someone's ideas down because you don't agree with them.

Not right before an expected deep playoff run he wasn't....and thats a grand canyon sized difference.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

What GM is going to trade away their #2 guy, even if it means getting a top 6 player in the lineup? Top defensemen dont get trade...

Unless they do....

But when a fanbase is in love with a player who's value has never been higher, it would be crazy to trade them...

Dougie Hamilton was the Flames #2 guy and was traded....

The Flames have extra guys right now and the loss of Brodie wouldn't hurt to much especially if it meant adding a guy like Stone to the lineup.

Anything is possible and none of us are the GM so no one should be acting like they know exactly what will happen. You can guess, and ultimately someone will be right but as of right now, no one knows what will happen so don't cut down someone's ideas down because you don't agree with them.

When Hamilton was traded he was the clear cut #1 on the Flames and pretty much a lock on the Norris for the next 3-4 years.

I read that on this board pretty much until the day Hamilton was traded and the Flames were fixed.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Assuming Brodie doesn't collapse down the stretch, he's easily worth a first in the offseason. It's not even debatable.

Well then...everybody got that?

No more debate allowed on Brodies worth at the draft.

OK?



You have no idea what he would return anymore than I do.

Maye he does and maybe he doesn't.

[Enoch Root]

Even with only one year left under contract, Brodie would get a 1st +, IMO. My guess would be a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st and a 3rd. Or something like Brodie + 3rd for 1st + 2nd.

Depends on the market at the time though. If there are teams looking to add a top 4 defenseman, great. If the market is thin, different story.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

When Hamilton was traded he was the clear cut #1 on the Flames and pretty much a lock on the Norris for the next 3-4 years.

I read that on this board pretty much until the day Hamilton was traded and the Flames were fixed.

wait what?

clear cut number one? No...maybe by a few posters, certainly not the majority of posters.

He was seen as the successor to Gio, but never supplanted Gio... not to mention there was a lot of smoke around Dougie as the year ended and not a lot of people outraged about trading him

[Poe969]

All I'm saying is that trades happen. Sometimes you have an idea its coming and sometimes it's something no one is expecting.

If you dont agree with someone that's fine but talking like it can't happen defeats the purpose of talking on a discussion board.

I'm just excited to see what happens Monday because the Flames are doing great and they have a GM who I have complete faith in. I think the roster will be as good as it possibly can be, weather it means making a trade or not.

[Ryan Coke]

I would argue that Hamilton never even made it to #2, even with poor years from Brodie and Hamonic. Unless all this matters is scoring, and defending is irrelevant.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

you are saying that Gio was not in decline a season ago? Do you actually watch Flames games or are you just trolling me?

Gio 2018-19 >>>> Gio 2017-18

Wait...are you saying that he was in decline in 17/18? The year BEFORE having a Norris Trophy-worthy season?

Decline isn't a temporary, one-year thing. It is an irreversible trend. He was NOT in decline in 17/18. He was on a team that under-performed and under-achieved.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pretty much all of that "effort" involves us trading away our #5 defenseman...

Fixed


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