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Old 11-06-2025, 01:51 PM   #11641
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It is a mistake not to rebuild, but that is the path they will choose every time. We have to accept that.
Please explain to me how we aren't already rebuilding?
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Please explain to me how we aren't already rebuilding?
Because moving every single veteran with the exception of Kadri means that they want to win the cup this year, clearly.
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Old 11-06-2025, 01:55 PM   #11643
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Andersson and Kadri's value for that matter only increase as teams get desperate, players get injured ect.

Islanders probably had some meh offers for Nelson last year...hit a ####ing home run with the deadline pressure teams were under.

You know Brad with his bubble Leafs at the deadline will be fighting for his job and not worried about the future assets.
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Old 11-06-2025, 01:59 PM   #11644
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"The New York Islanders are no longer looking to trade a key veteran forward Brock Nelson and are instead considering a contract extension."
Nick Horwat | Feb 9, 2025

They love him, owner loves him, coach loves him, GM loves him...off the market you vultures

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March 09, 2025

Brock Nelson was traded to the Colorado Avalanche by the New York Islanders on Thursday for defenseman Oliver Kylington, forward prospect Calum Ritchie, a conditional first-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft, and a conditional third-round pick in the 2028 NHL Draft.
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:00 PM   #11645
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Maybe Edward’s reads the forums and thinks messing with certain fan types is entertaining
I'd like to think I wouldn't if I were him but I think I totally would lol.
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:01 PM   #11646
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Because moving every single veteran with the exception of Kadri means that they want to win the cup this year, clearly.
I had someone on Twitter tell me yesterday that because they aren't looking to immediately trading Kadri and want to see how the season goes it means they aren't rebuilding.
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:06 PM   #11647
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We're so cooked lol
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:08 PM   #11648
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Edwards likely said he loved Markstom, Tanev, Lidholm, Zadorov, and Toffoli too
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:40 PM   #11649
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Make sure when evaluating roster moves you look at all of the moves made or not made. Yes they have sold off some lesser pieces, but the players who could have returned the most in a trade were botched.

-Gaudreau turned into nothing.

-Tkachuk was a trade attempting to stay competitive / save face.

-We’re still holding the bag on Andersson as his play keeps dropping, all for a non existent playoff run.

So yes we have started a rebuild, but we missed out on capitalizing on our most valuable assets.
Based on what?

Not sure I agree with that. He's been solid.
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I don't think Andersson's value has dropped... He's a +2 and nearly on pace for 40 points on a last place team. His contract has the ability to fit onto a contender especially with rentention.

I mostly agree but, IMO the Bahl - Andersson pairing has been getting a bit lucky so far:
211mins, 10GF, 5GA, +5, 48.9xG%, 49.0SF%, 47.6CF%
In comparison, Hanley - Weegar:
136mins, 2GF, 5GA, -3, 54.3xG%, 50.9SF%, 56CF%
The Weegar pairing had a lot more glaring breakdowns, but overall it actually has the better xGA/60, and better xGF/60 than the Andersson pairing, despite the weaker partner.
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:51 PM   #11651
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Teams know what Ras is...this idea that the Flames have a couple bad games and his value takes a major swing is just false
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:52 PM   #11652
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"The New York Islanders are no longer looking to trade a key veteran forward Brock Nelson and are instead considering a contract extension."
Nick Horwat | Feb 9, 2025

They love him, owner loves him, coach loves him, GM loves him...off the market you vultures

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March 09, 2025

Brock Nelson was traded to the Colorado Avalanche by the New York Islanders on Thursday for defenseman Oliver Kylington, forward prospect Calum Ritchie, a conditional first-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft, and a conditional third-round pick in the 2028 NHL Draft.

But to be fair, Nelson was a pending UFA and if they didn't think they were going to be able to come to terms, they should have traded him. Kadri's situation is slightly different, although I don't think it means he won't go anywhere, just that it's not a direct comparison.
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So Nelson was extended 3x$7.5M
Kadri has 3 more years at $7M

When you look at it like that, and given that Kadri has out produced Nelson, the comp is very good to expect a top tier package like Nelson got
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Old 11-06-2025, 02:59 PM   #11654
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Yeah I think there is nuance in how that it was framed.

When it's a UFA and they are saying "we want to keep him here, etc" that makes sense because you're trying to navigate the risk of walking a player to UFA, especially for players with NTC's where there might be limited trade partners.

If it was worded as "Conroy and management loves Kadri, Kadri doesn't want to be traded, Kadri loves the city, look how the fan base embraced him" etc etc then I'd say that's more just the normal lip service about the team not wanting to trade the player.

It being worded so strongly as Murray Edwards loves Kadri is what makes me think this might be a bit different than the normal lip service you see in these scenarios.

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Yeah I think there is nuance in how that it was framed.

When it's a UFA and they are saying "we want to keep him here, etc" that makes sense because you're trying to navigate the risk of walking a player to UFA, especially for players with NTC's where there might be limited trade partners.

If it was worded as "Conroy and management loves Kadri, Kadri doesn't want to be traded, Kadri loves the city, look how the fan base embraced him" etc etc then I'd say that's more just lip service about the team not wanting to trade the player.

It being worded so strongly as Murray Edwards loves Kadri is what makes me think this might be a bit different than the normal lip service you see in these scenarios.
There is also no reason for Murray to even say anything. If you tell people he is available, do you really think the value diminishes? Wouldn't there be a bidding war?

I really think he's being honest and doesn't want to trade Kadri. He probably knows how long a rebuild will take and does not want one with the new arena.

This team is not 2 years away from competing.
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Old 11-06-2025, 03:12 PM   #11656
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Its not like Murray had a press conference...some reporter mentions he said something to someone at sometime.

Predictably its huge news in Flamesland on social media. Again some of you are way too easy. Re-tool, rebulild, call it whatever you like...Flames have some of the most cap space and have traded more vets than any other team the last couple years.

But yeah the owner is totally pushing for playoffs at all costs, if you say it 100 times a day it might even be true.
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Based on what?

Not sure I agree with that. He's been solid.
To be fair, Paperbagger has said many times he doesn't watch the Flames cause they suck. So he's probably not watching Andersson play, he's just saying his play sucks.
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Old 11-06-2025, 03:21 PM   #11658
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Maybe Edward’s reads the forums and thinks messing with certain fan types is entertaining
How does Murray feel about gifs?
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Old 11-06-2025, 03:38 PM   #11659
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Its not like Murray had a press conference...some reporter mentions he said something to someone at sometime.

Predictably its huge news in Flamesland on social media. Again some of you are way too easy. Re-tool, rebulild, call it whatever you like...Flames have some of the most cap space and have traded more vets than any other team the last couple years.

But yeah the owner is totally pushing for playoffs at all costs, if you say it 100 times a day it might even be true.
If this news is out there from Dreger it's because the Flames organization wants it out there IMO.

So it all comes down to how you decipher it.

Are they doing it because they are trying to up his trade value by re-enforcing they aren't shopping him and you're going to have to pay a premium.

Or are they trying to signal that he's not being moved to temper the expectations around the fan base of moving him for a premium, and to stop that noise that's been around the team to lower expectations of a tear down here.
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It is as if we as a fanbase have learned nothing from the last 2 years under Conroy.


Basically the only person that the Flames didn't want to keep at all publicly was Zadorov who asked for a trade while the team visited Toronto. Even then, the Flames were 'negotiating' with him. The Flames wanted to retain every player that was on their way out in the media, yet every player was eventually traded-out. The only unicorn here was Mangiapane, who was traded rather unexpectedly.


This is Calgary's MO. Until it goes down to the wire, then the player being discussed is a player that Calgary prefers to keep. Kadri is in no way different, and I wouldn't expect him to be. I would expect that he gets traded, however.


I am sure we will hear much more about re-signing Andersson soon. I look forward to that and seeing another 5 page freak-out.
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