And there are financing programs through greener homes and the efficiency Nova Scotia.
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But for some homeowners, like Leah Goodick, waiting for rebates has been a waiting game. Goodick said she paid $10,000 for the installation of a heat pump system back in September.
While the Cole Harbour, N.S., resident has received provincial rebates, she says she’s still waiting for her rebates from Ottawa’s programs. Meanwhile, the cost to pay off her Visa is mounting.
“I’m quite upset,” said Goodick. “Why would you tell me I’m getting a rebate and then every month I’m waiting and waiting and I did everything on my part to make this happen and they’re not doing their part to make it happen?”
Efficiency Nova Scotia’s communications lead Janet Tobin says the organization took over processing Ottawa’s rebates in March. She says 2,500 rebates have been processed since March but knows there are still about 2,200 in the queue.
Maybe you can tell those people where they can get the financing from in the meantime while the government does what it does best, and sit around on their ass not actually sending out the rebates?
I guess the credit card companies will wait for the government as well, right?
The rebates are nice and all, but if you think people are actually coming out ahead with the month to month cost of living constantly going up, you're living in la la land. Which is more or less what the morons who implemented the carbon tax are living in as well.
I don't want to dig into things too much here but at the end of the day, it comes down to dollars and the bottom line. Sometimes upgrades are worth it and sometimes they are not. The payback period is only one aspect of things. You need to take into consideration things like service, lifespan and more.
The poster above talked about getting funds for what in essence are major renovations to homes and buildings. Insulation, design improvements, major HVAC systems and more. Where is this money suppose to come from? Is it my responsibility? Your's? The government's? To actually pay for renovations on improvements?
People are always more cognizant of costs and energy use when they are paying for things. Plenty of landlords who are upgrading specific aspects of properties to try and reduce operating expenses. Some things don't get looked after because they are not paying the bill, so why "upgrade" to things that are apparently more efficient but may cost more overall? Doesn't make sense.
I get what the Carbon tax is trying to achieve, force people into changing behaviors for certain things in order to reduce carbon footprint, emissions etc But we are doing it with these little games of "you will be better off" "look at all this money that your getting" "your saving the world, and it's only costing you a few more cents at the pump"
Think of carbon taxes like excises taxes on alcohol and tobaccos products. If the goal is to reduce booze and Tabaco consumption, your not going to waste time with these minor increases over the years. Few people quit over those small increases. Your make smoking or using vape like products so cost prohibited that people just stop. A pint of beer costing $40 might alter some habits. Why they don't do that is it's not political practical.
Just like slamming $1000 tax on your heating bill to force you or your landlord to change a 60 year old furnace isn't either. Or a $1000 carbon tax levy onto a flight to see grandma in Thunder Bay isn't either.
It's just better to keep repeating that over 32 million Canadians apparently are doing substantially better with carbon pricing than without it. Why don't we apply an end user carbon tax to more things , get more money back and reduce emissions. We can go to the steakhouse, have a T-Bone for $100, get back $120 and feel good about it
OK, but you’re living proof that it works. So, add 200 more paragraphs if you want, but you’re a living contradiction to the point you’re trying to make.
And, as has been pointed out here, actual economists (hundreds of them) have come out saying not only does it work, but it’s the cheapest approach to do this solution.
So, your solution is to take an approach that works, is cost effective, and is still the least damaging to the greatest number of people… and change it so that you can get free steak and it costs $1000 per month to heat your home?
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
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Maybe you can tell those people where they can get the financing from in the meantime while the government does what it does best, and sit around on their ass not actually sending out the rebates?
I guess the credit card companies will wait for the government as well, right?
The rebates are nice and all, but if you think people are actually coming out ahead with the month to month cost of living constantly going up, you're living in la la land. Which is more or less what the morons who implemented the carbon tax are living in as well.
Don’t install $10k heat pumps if you can’t afford it in the first place. The incentives and rebates should be viewed as nice-to-haves.
Don’t install $10k heat pumps if you can’t afford it in the first place. The incentives and rebates should be viewed as nice-to-haves.
Except as far as consumers go, heat pumps are the future of heating / cooling, and if we really care about reducing carbon emissions, the carbon tax should be used to literally propel people towards heat pump installations.
Like I said earlier, we are working with quite a few builders who are already beginning to install heat pumps for heating, even here in Manitoba where it gets -40, because the backup is electric heat, and the cost savings are substantial even if the backup is needed.
So they work.
But we can't expect families with little to no extra income to be able to 'reduce' their emissions by just taxing the emissions and rebating them back, and then trying to sell them a pie in the sky idea about 'oh go get a rebate for a heat pump so you can avoid the tax.'
In other words we're doing nothing else but adding extra cost across the board.
Except as far as consumers go, heat pumps are the future of heating / cooling, and if we really care about reducing carbon emissions, the carbon tax should be used to literally propel people towards heat pump installations.
Like I said earlier, we are working with quite a few builders who are already beginning to install heat pumps for heating, even here in Manitoba where it gets -40, because the backup is electric heat, and the cost savings are substantial even if the backup is needed.
So they work.
But we can't expect families with little to no extra income to be able to 'reduce' their emissions by just taxing the emissions and rebating them back, and then trying to sell them a pie in the sky idea about 'oh go get a rebate for a heat pump so you can avoid the tax.'
In other words we're doing nothing else but adding extra cost across the board.
They aren't being expected to reduce their emissions. They are being incentivized to, and even without that incentive, are no worse off doing nothing because of the rebate.
But emissions are being reduced, because those that can afford to are doing it. You say so yourself. So to me, it seems to be working as intended. No excess punishment to those who can't afford it, and those who can reduce emissions. Pretty good stuff!
They aren't being expected to reduce their emissions. They are being incentivized to, and even without that incentive, are no worse off doing nothing because of the rebate.
But emissions are being reduced, because those that can afford to are doing it. You say so yourself. So to me, it seems to be working as intended. No excess punishment to those who can't afford it, and those who can reduce emissions. Pretty good stuff!
Yeah, the whole “there are people who can’t afford to make these changes!” thing looks especially silly when you realize the less you can afford it, the more money you get from the government over and above your carbon tax costs.
EDIT: actually, it’s kind of fascinating watching critics argue against the tax accidentally find themselves explaining how it works and why it’s effective. I love this.
Maybe you can tell those people where they can get the financing from in the meantime while the government does what it does best, and sit around on their ass not actually sending out the rebates?
Well that's easy. The program that woman applied for also gives out 10-year interest free loans. If she didn't want to pay interest during the long processing time (which is spelled out clearly before you apply), she could have gone that route. It doesn't impact the rebate at all, so you can get both.
The government is handing out free money that will allow many people to save significantly on their utility bills. And we're talking about people who own their houses, not people living in abject poverty. So maybe a little personal responsibility for understanding the program and being aware of how the finances work is in order. Or should the government just be sending cheques to anyone who says they'll install a heat pump, without actually verifying it all?
Liberals standing by Han Dong as a party right before the testimony starts certainly was an epic disaster of a move. Were they that oblivious of what the inquiry may reveal? This timeline which the Global News compiled of Trudeau quotes is quite hilarious (also to remind folks that the Liberals voted against this inquiry)
“We are extraordinarily happy to have a member of parliament like Han Dong in our midst, serving his community … I want to make everyone understand fully Han Dong is an outstanding member of our team, and suggestions that he is somehow not loyal to Canada should not be entertained.”
“One of the things we’ve seen unfortunately over the past years is a rise in anti-Asian racism linked to the pandemic, and concerns being arisen around people’s loyalties,” Trudeau added.
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But Johnston also questioned some of the media reporting around Dong’s case – including a report by Global News that intelligence sources alleged Dong advised the Chinese diplomat against the quick release of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor. Dong denied the allegation and said he has always advocated for the early release of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor
Looking back at some comments in the past, it would be interesting to hear some of those past commentor's takes on the new revelations.
And Global News is totally right. Had Trudeau have his way and David Johnston's sham report recommendations been accepted, this would have been completely swept under the rug. Serious questions need to be asked.
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I’m sure they will get to the bottom of this very soon. Since Trudeau is a huge supporter of fully open, transparent, independent and rapid investigation into what happened.
Maybe you can tell those people where they can get the financing from in the meantime while the government does what it does best, and sit around on their ass not actually sending out the rebates?
I guess the credit card companies will wait for the government as well, right?
The rebates are nice and all, but if you think people are actually coming out ahead with the month to month cost of living constantly going up, you're living in la la land. Which is more or less what the morons who implemented the carbon tax are living in as well.
I gave you the fianancing companies in the previous posts.
People are coming out way ahead switching with a 10k incentive
