More interesting, IMO if NDP wins there's a real possibility that a party left of them emerges by the subsequent election to challenge their centrism.
I wouldn't be surprised by this at all because one criticism I see, not often but from certain people, is that the ANDP has abandoned their roots of labour and unions. People want to see a stronger focus on those values and if the NDP continue to move away and ignore those calls it might be an opening for a labour party.
Yeah, they have abandoned their left roots to try and win the election. IMO there will be significant push from political operatives within the right to make this a reality to try and initiate the exact cascade Bizarro references.
It may also backfire though and entrench the ANDP as the centrist choice.
I am currently betting on a narrow UCP win and a lot of #### for the next 4 years though.
I wouldn't be surprised by this at all because one criticism I see, not often but from certain people, is that the ANDP has abandoned their roots of labour and unions. People want to see a stronger focus on those values and if the NDP continue to move away and ignore those calls it might be an opening for a labour party.
I’m not saying that you didn’t hear that from people but if you did then those people are out to lunch. This is coming from someone who interacts with a lot of trade unionists and has never heard anything even remotely like this from anyone.
The ANDP is the only party in the last half century that actually improved the labour code for workers in this province.
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It's the environmentalist wing they've truly abandoned.
Yeah, trade unions and labour benefit just as much from expanding the business pie at the expense of the environment as corporations do.
I think federally there is a case to be made that they have embraced the environmental wing at the expense of the labour side. Provincially the last NDP government delivered significant increases to minimum wage and significant labour reform including removing the requirement for a secret ballot vote and instead just relying on union cards. That’s a big win for increasing the likelihood of union formation.
I’m not saying that you didn’t hear that from people but if you did then those people are out to lunch. This is coming from someone who interacts with a lot of trade unionists and has never heard anything even remotely like this from anyone.
The ANDP is the only party in the last half century that actually improved the labour code for workers in this province.
Your absolutely right about the past history of fighting for the unions and labour codes. The concerns that I have heard during this election is that going forward the ANDP might not be overly concerned about those matters as they focus on more right policy to shore up center voters. Because of this some people are looking for something that is more "historic NDP."
I think federally there is a case to be made that they have embraced the environmental wing at the expense of the labour side. Provincially the last NDP government delivered significant increases to minimum wage and significant labour reform including removing the requirement for a secret ballot vote and instead just relying on union cards. That’s a big win for increasing the likelihood of union formation.
Their legislation for card check certification didn’t eliminate the need for a vote if the Union provides petition evidence instead of cards or if the Union had cards for more than 40% but less than 65% of employees. In both cases a vote would still be required.
Your absolutely right about the past history of fighting for the unions and labour codes. The concerns that I have heard during this election is that going forward the ANDP might not be overly concerned about those matters as they focus on more right policy to shore up center voters. Because of this some people are looking for something that is more "historic NDP."
Fair enough if that’s what you’ve heard, I’m just saying I have not heard anything even close to this and don’t understand what a person who would say that could possibly be basing their opinion on.
I wouldn't be surprised by this at all because one criticism I see, not often but from certain people, is that the ANDP has abandoned their roots of labour and unions. People want to see a stronger focus on those values and if the NDP continue to move away and ignore those calls it might be an opening for a labour party.
This is why I am so blown away by the people who are still so afraid of the ANDP. We've seen what Notely is and you can argue ideology all you want.
But anything beyond the ideology she is pretty much the ideal political representative, she had a vision for the future, she adjusted policies to the realities she was facing and the opinions of experts, and she was responsive to the demands of the public to whatever extent the public was reasonable enough to work with. Yet there is still a 30+% share of this province that believes they will show irresponsible management in the future in the service of their ideology.
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At 25 minutes, Jen Gerson kinda explains why Daniel is so tough to debate and counter. Because she talks like a conspiracy theorist, throwing 100 things at you, sounding knowledgeable, but when you dig into the details that's where it falls apart. You can't debate someone like that, becuase the lies are so easy to toss around.
Then Matt Gurney gets it totally wrong trying to assign the same failings to Trudeau, but hey, they both can't be great.
