[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[iloveicedhockey]

And right to complain about the final package being not enough is removed if said package is more than a second.

[Royle9]

Guys, just about every team in the league wants Andersson… and it’s not because he’s terrible, slow and ineffective.

His compete level is top tier, he’s good for 15+ goals and can move the puck very well.
He also brings a wealth of leadership and attitude, which most teams covet at the best of times.

They’re not lining up for him just because he’s cheap for 1 year.

The way some undervalue him on here is scary.
Would I love him with us longer? Absolutely
Do I think he’ll be effective for years to come? Yes
Do I want to pay him 9.5M a season? No sadly his ask from CGY is too rich
Am I angry he wants to go compete? Nope, but I think we need to worry about CGY first from an organizational standpoint

He’s been a great flame, from a guy who was touted as “too fat” when drafted, to arguably one of our best draft picks in the last 10-15 years.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Just ignore these guys and add them to your ignore list. Too much oxygen is being consuming arguing about pointless subjects and they have no interest in listening to others viewpoints. Wish they could be banned so we can have intelligent posts which lead to interesting discussion but unfortunately people are engaging with these guys and clogging up threads with garbage.

Unfortunately when people reply I still see their posts as they are being replied to. Wish instead of engaging, hit ignore and focus on engaging with posters who while may have different views, will explain reasoning for their positions instead of arguing for the sake of arguing.

CP Moderation:

bUT hOW BoRiNg WoUld iT bE If wE aLl AGrEed aLl THe tImE??!

Less boring than the same 5 or 6 turdburglers hijacking every ####ing thread every ####ing day

[dammage79]

Cannot think of a better 2nd round pick in recent memory.

And for added fun the Sven Baertchi trade tree grows some new branches once this trade happens.

Imagine turning Sven into Rass into Jason Robertson.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Guys, just about every team in the league wants Andersson… and it’s not because he’s terrible, slow and ineffective.

His compete level is top tier, he’s good for 15+ goals and can move the puck very well.
He also brings a wealth of leadership and attitude, which most teams covet at the best of times.

They’re not lining up for him just because he’s cheap for 1 year.

The way some undervalue him on here is scary.
Would I love him with us longer? Absolutely
Do I think he’ll be effective for years to come? Yes
Do I want to pay him 9.5M a season? No sadly his ask from CGY is too rich
Am I angry he wants to go compete? Nope, but I think we need to worry about CGY first from an organizational standpoint

He’s been a great flame, from a guy who was touted as “too fat” when drafted, to arguably one of our best draft picks in the last 10-15 years.

These are all valid points. But question begs, if he’s that good, why has no one stepped up with an offer that is commiserate with his perceived value? Either we are overvaluing him or he is not viewed as favorably across the league. The contract status for a player who is perceived to be a difference maker would seem to be inconsequential for a player of his perceived stature. Should be a bidding war, instead we are getting crap offers. Probably a bit of both but man, frustrating to see a top trade chip drawing lowball offers.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Two years ago? So after 3 years of a six year contract?

who cares? You like it better that they only even begin to consider asset management when guys are in their final year? And that the org keeps running into the same hurdles like the one in the thread title ^?

[dammage79]

Once the arbitration dust settles I think we will see movement. Hopefully. This has been a significant dud of an offseason league wide.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by saillias

who cares? You like it better that they only even begin to consider asset management when guys are in their final year? And that the org keeps running into the same hurdles like the one in the thread title ^?

Is not part of the value of an asset the years of service you get from it.

If the delta between trading him 2 years ago v. now is a 2nd, would that be worth it?

Sports isn't just about asset management. You are also trying to win games.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by saillias

who cares? You like it better that they only even begin to consider asset management when guys are in their final year? And that the org keeps running into the same hurdles like the one in the thread title ^?

Wouldn’t “asset management” include retaining good assets who can eat up minutes and contribute to wins???????….

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Two years ago? So after 3 years of a six year contract?

Exactly. When he would have actually returned something significant.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Guys, just about every team in the league wants Andersson… and it’s not because he’s terrible, slow and ineffective.

His compete level is top tier, he’s good for 15+ goals and can move the puck very well.
He also brings a wealth of leadership and attitude, which most teams covet at the best of times.

They’re not lining up for him just because he’s cheap for 1 year.

The way some undervalue him on here is scary.
Would I love him with us longer? Absolutely
Do I think he’ll be effective for years to come? Yes
Do I want to pay him 9.5M a season? No sadly his ask from CGY is too rich
Am I angry he wants to go compete? Nope, but I think we need to worry about CGY first from an organizational standpoint

He’s been a great flame, from a guy who was touted as “too fat” when drafted, to arguably one of our best draft picks in the last 10-15 years.

I don't think people are under valuing him. He is a great #3dman. Many teams could use a good second pairing.

But if he wants that much money, I don't think most teams can fit him in long term.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Once the arbitration dust settles I think we will see movement. Hopefully. This has been a significant dud of an offseason league wide.

Thing is it always is. Every off season it’s the same thing. Gonna be an exciting draft with lots of movement. And it’s a dud. Free agency was weak this year which should spur movement. But it hasn’t to date, despite all the talk of teams filling needs via the trade route.

I find nhl GMs to be the most conservative in the big 4. Reasons for that like guaranteed contracts, no trade/no move,9 hard cap etc. but would be nice to have guys like Ron Caron and Mike Milbury who weren’t afraid to take wild swings.

[Finger Cookin]

I like to consider hockey players more than assets, icing a hockey team more than managing a portfolio, and considering the on-ice product more than EBITDA.

Kidding aside, I feel like the "asset management" side of hockey conversation can make some compelling cases for how to manage a hockey club. But it's too one-dimensional a view.

[saillias]

You guys have just made up this arbitrary block of "year 3 into a 6 year contract" in the past couple weeks as a reason Andersson could not have been traded at any point until now and it's been wild to see.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Groot]

Since what others think is apparently an argument to support one's own position, here's a fan vote from 4 days ago for the top defensemen in the league.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1942620279454458021

Weegar at 20 up from 24 last year.

Andersson at 31 up from 46 last year.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I like to consider hockey players more than assets, icing a hockey team more than managing a portfolio, and considering the on-ice product more than EBITDA.

Kidding aside, I feel like the "asset management" side of hockey conversation can make some compelling cases for how to manage a hockey club. But it's too one-dimensional a view.

A team that has a geographic handicap should find and use every edge available to it to level the playing field. The treating the players right mentality is honorable but directly interfering with the org's ability to retool

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by saillias

A team that has a geographic handicap should find and use every edge available to it to level the playing field. The treating the players right mentality is honorable but directly interfering with the org's ability to retool

These two sentences are at odds with each other… you see that, right?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by saillias

who cares? You like it better that they only even begin to consider asset management when guys are in their final year? And that the org keeps running into the same hurdles like the one in the thread title ^?

Maybe they should have traded him right when they signed him for even more value.

This was the season they thought they'd give it one more shot - only a year after getting Huberdeau and Weegar. They ended up starting a sell off. But you can't sell all the vets at once and they did it in an orderly fashion.

And the hurdle in the thread title turned out to be BS.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I like to consider hockey players more than assets, icing a hockey team more than managing a portfolio, and considering the on-ice product more than EBITDA.

Kidding aside, I feel like the "asset management" side of hockey conversation can make some compelling cases for how to manage a hockey club. But it's too one-dimensional a view.

Thing is - a lot of the asset management guys tend to constantly be rebuilding in their heads. And they expect too much return out of selling vets anyway. At any time only contenders want that player, and their picks aren't lottery picks, by definition.

Under this notion, the Oilers should have traded McDavid 5 years ago, when his value was great and his contract not expiring, but they weren't winning.