Flames fire Geoff Ward, hire Darryl Sutter, signs 3 year deal

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You keep criticizing the fanbase on mass, grouping everyone into a single collective. Give us some examples or give it a rest. Who are you even talking to? I haven't seen anybody talking about specific implementations, other than getting better utilization and motivation from the players.

And you know, actually being happy and excited. But you seem more concerned with being right than being happy - you are seriously yelling at clouds at this point.

Seriously?

A. Not the fan base “on mass”. BTW, it’s “en masse”.

B. There are a dozen examples of posters saying “Sutter will replace Nordstrom with Bennett”, “Sutter will sit Bennett”, “Sutter will eliminate D to D”, “Sutter will have aggressive D”, “Sutter will use fast transition”, etc. If you really really want, I can find them.

C. This has nothing to do with being right - I’m not even sure what you think I’m trying to be right about. And I’m not yelling at anything - I’m amused, like I said.

D. You can give it a rest yourself. It was a minor comment. Sorry it irritated you.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Seriously?

A. Not the fan base “on mass”. BTW, it’s “en masse”.

B. There are a dozen examples of posters saying “Sutter will replace Nordstrom with Bennett”, “Sutter will sit Bennett”, “Sutter will eliminate D to D”, “Sutter will have aggressive D”, “Sutter will use fast transition”, etc. If you really really want, I can find them.

C. This has nothing to do with being right - I’m not even sure what you think I’m trying to be right about. And I’m not yelling at anything - I’m amused, like I said.

D. You can give it a rest yourself.

Of course there are posters with opinions about Bennett or whatever else. But why do you care? You keep throwing out these passive aggressive attempts to prove that others don't know anything about coaching.

Some do, some don't. Some are flat out wrong sometimes. But that doesn't make everyone wrong. And it doesn't strengthen your position either way.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Of course there are posters with opinions about Bennett or whatever else. But why do you care? You keep throwing out these passive aggressive attempts to prove that others don't know anything about coaching.

Some do, some don't. Some are flat out wrong sometimes. But that doesn't make everyone wrong. And it doesn't strengthen your position either way.

LOL. You are taking it way too personally. I didn’t say ”everyone was wrong”. You are reading too much into it. It wasn’t passive aggressive - it was a direct comment about how the Sutter hire turns into a mirror for various posters to advance their opinions. Right or wrong.

I agree with you that Sutter’s strength isn’t going to be about systems - it’s about player evaluation and how he uses his knowledge. I happen to think Sutter’s system is “whatever works best with the players I have”. He’s one of the smartest hockey minds I know.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't think this is an elite team, IMO they are missing some key pieces.

I do think they have a lot of talent though, and it's seemed to me like they are never as good or consistent as they should be (except for the 2018/19 regular season). It's like the leadership group is lacking.

A good coach should be able to fix that. Now they have a good coach. Darryl will be the leader.

I don't think so either, but Darryl has a track record of getting non-elite rosters to play elite hockey.

So I'm looking forward to the players either punching a level above their weight class or finding themselves sitting out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I don't think so either, but Darryl has a track record of getting non-elite rosters to play elite hockey.

So I'm looking forward to the players either punching a level above their weight class or finding themselves sitting out.

He needs a couple elite, or close to elite guys to work around. Iginla, Kipper, Reg, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick. So here he has an arguably elite goalie, and he has Tanev, who played his own zone as well as any guy I’ve seen in a long time. What I am interested in is if he can push the forward core into playing well in tough circumstances. He sure talked a lot about “playoff hockey” and how every game in this season is playoff hockey.

[Roof-Daddy]

Okay I just listened to all the Treliving and Sutter audio from today.

I'm officially a fan boy again.

Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.

If Sutter can't save this team (again), then a blow up is required. I think he's going to get the most he possibly can out of these guys.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Okay I just listened to all the Treliving and Sutter audio from today.

I'm officially a fan boy again.

Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.

If Sutter can't save this team (again), then a blow up is required. I think he's going to get the most he possibly can out of these guys.

People say this was Treliving’s last chance. Probably true, but he pretty much said to the players “this is your last chance too”.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He needs a couple elite, or close to elite guys to work around. Iginla, Kipper, Reg, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick. So here he has an arguably elite goalie, and he has Tanev, who played his own zone as well as any guy I’ve seen in a long time. What I am interested in is if he can push the forward core into playing well in tough circumstances. He sure talked a lot about “playoff hockey” and how every game in this season is playoff hockey.

I think there's a near-elite player in Lindholm that can be exploited. The radio guys were talking about him having Kopitar qualities today. I would agree, maybe not as developed or to the same extent, but he does a lot of things really well and can be lethal in an offensive role.

If he can get Tkachuk laser focused on what he does well then he can make him elite at the game he plays around the net front.

Gaudreau is a mystery box under this kind of leadership. He won't hit or muscle guys off him. But Sutter has gotten non physical skill players to play strong under him before too.

If Monahan cam bottle what he did in period one last night and do more of that, it would make him a hell of a player. I don't have a ton of faith in him transforming his game at this point though.

Fascinating to say the least.

You have to imagine sutter has already made some evaluations on each of those guys games and skillsets.

But yes I do think he has his Regehr/Regehr and his Kipper/Quick.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol stopped reading there. 466 points versus 375 points is not a slight edge. Games played at 481 vs 488 and goals at 176 vs 160 are slight edges to Forsberg.

Forsberg = 26G, 20EVG, 49P in the 65gp that really matter

Gaudreau = 8G, 3EVG, 19P in the 30gp that really matter

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

When Sutter said coming here feels like unfinished business, it send chills down my spine.

God did I love hearing that.

Also when he said "I have a debt to the owners so i'm just gonna uh, get them a cup."

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think there's a near-elite player in Lindholm that can be exploited. The radio guys were talking about him having Kopitar qualities today. I would agree, maybe not as developed or to the same extent, but he does a lot of things really well and can be lethal in an offensive role.

If he can get Tkachuk laser focused on what he does well then he can make him elite at the game he plays around the net front.

Gaudreau is a mystery box under this kind of leadership. He won't hit or muscle guys off him. But Sutter has gotten non physical skill players to play strong under him before too.

If Monahan cam bottle what he did in period one last night and do more of that, it would make him a hell of a player. I don't have a ton of faith in him transforming his game at this point though.

Fascinating to say the least.

You have to imagine sutter has already made some evaluations on each of those guys games and skillsets.

But yes I do think he has his Regehr/Regehr and his Kipper/Quick.

Tkachuk has both the most promise and also perhaps is where Darryl needs to do most of his work on an individual player level. I think Sutter can level him up and kill some of the bad habits that have developed. His game needs to be simplified desperately.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Tkachuk has both the most promise and also perhaps is where Darryl needs to do most of his work on an individual player level. I think Sutter can level him up and kill some of the bad habits that have developed. His game needs to be simplified desperately.

The biggest thing that could happen is if he’s convinced to improve his skating. The good news is that his stride is so bad I think it can be improved quickly.

I have to disagree with djsFlames about Monahan. I think he’s pretty coachable.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Tkachuk has both the most promise and also perhaps is where Darryl needs to do most of his work on an individual player level. I think Sutter can level him up and kill some of the bad habits that have developed. His game needs to be simplified desperately.

And therein lies much of the problem to this point, a lot of these guys with specific strengths have been trying to do it all out there to fix the larger issues instead of having focused individual roles from the coach catered to what they do best.

You water down a skilled team that way I think. And thats definitely what the two rookie coaches did for the most part.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The biggest thing that could happen is if he’s convinced to improve his skating. The good news is that his stride is so bad I think it can be improved quickly.

I have to disagree with djsFlames about Monahan. I think he’s pretty coachable.

Convinced to improve his skating? You think he doesnt know and work at his poor skating the best he can?

You think at his age he can just get 'better at skating'

Some guys just don't skate as well as others. In fact, 99% of people don't skate as well as NHL players.

MT is actually one of the very few players on the planet who can survive off his other skills and that is why he is in the NHL when most people who skate like that max out in high junior or career minor leaguers

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Gaudreau is a mystery box under this kind of leadership. He won't hit or muscle guys off him. But Sutter has gotten non physical skill players to play strong under him before too.

You have to imagine sutter has already made some evaluations on each of those guys games and skillsets.

I'm hoping that even though nobody can expect Johnny to play a bigger guy's game, he will at least have a team around him who sticks up for eachother and will not allow anyone to take advantage of him. Which in turn will be freeing, and maybe give even more confidence. Which may pay huge dividends

[Mindtravellee]

Is it too early to think about a succession plan? Should Sutter get an assistant that could take over and continue his plan (if things work out)?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

Is it too early to think about a succession plan? Should Sutter get an assistant that could take over and continue his plan (if things work out)?

The way he talked about Huska, that person might already be in place.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The way he talked about Huska, that person might already be in place.

Exactly what I was thinking.

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

Is it too early to think about a succession plan? Should Sutter get an assistant that could take over and continue his plan (if things work out)?

You have to, either way. If Brad is a numbers guy, he will see that there is a trend in games coached

Hartley 294
Gully 164
Peters 110
Ward 66
Darryl ?

The last few coaches have coached ~60% of the games of their predecessor

So if Darryl lasts 50 games he bucks the trend

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Convinced to improve his skating? You think he doesnt know and work at his poor skating the best he can?

You think at his age he can just get 'better at skating'

Some guys just don't skate as well as others. In fact, 99% of people don't skate as well as NHL players.

MT is actually one of the very few players on the planet who can survive off his other skills and that is why he is in the NHL when most people who skate like that max out in high junior or career minor leaguers

Draisaitl really improved his skating at about the same age. Chara, Boyle, Mark Stone, Mike Peca too. Perhaps he knows but because he’s been able to get by on his other skills Tkachuk hasn’t ever really tried hard (though I knows he’s gone to Dawn Braid at least once for a session). But it’s caught up with him now. He may never be a great skater but I bet he can improve it some more.