2014 Training Camp Cuts. UPD: Oct 5 - Baertschi, Jooris and Ortio cut

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

In this case, I don't think so. Monahan had the added advantage last year of us being a bit like the Oilers this year - we had a dearth of centres and he was almost needed to step in. But Stajan is here long term, Backlund has solidified himself, and of course, Monahan is now established. Even if he didn't need to grow into his frame a bit more, Bennett is not served by playing a part time or fourth line role. Give him a few games to get a taste of what's to come, then send him down to dominate in junior.

Monahan was also a full year older and, it looks like, he was just physically bigger....thicker.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by edslunch

That would be convenient if it worked out that way

Yes... extremely... and somewhat "fishy"?

... and what for? So Bennett gets a chance to play 9 games in the NHL even though there is a 99.9% chance he will return to the OHL after the 9 games?

[Resolute 14]

Fishy, and CBA violating. The NHL has the right to have its own doctors look at anyone on IR. Any team found to be faking things is looking at a seven figure fine, or worse. If he is not legitimately hurt, the Flames need to make space for Bennett or send him down.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes... extremely... and somewhat "fishy"?

... and what for? So Bennett gets a chance to play 9 games in the NHL even though there is a 99.9% chance he will return to the OHL after the 9 games?

While I agree with Resolute, doesn't really seem like something the Flames would manipulate (or maybe that's not what Resolute is saying, don't want to interpret his post wrong).

I would suggest that injuries maybe helping the Flames out in not having to waive or send someone down in the short term to get Bennett his 9 game cup of NHL coffee.

But you say "for what" as though the 9 game peek Bennett will get has no benefit to him if he's not going to stick. I'd say that's likely not the case, getting a little taste will probably serve his development well, even if he is bound for the OHL for the rest of the season.

[Vulcan]

Oh, I think Bennett is legitimately hurt. What seems to happen in these cases is that the team gets some leeway as to deciding when the player is game ready. If it takes a little while until someone else goes down, that can happen.

[lanny9]

I don't think anything is up, he is hurt imo and will get sent down as soon as deemed ready to play. Calgary will trust their doctors more than what he may get from Kingston so may not have the long term view that Calgary has. Don't think this is holding him up for a cup of coffee, they have seen him get hurt twice already which is proof he needs to bulk up to pay his game against men. No sense putting him out there and risk another injury or further injury if they think they are sending him down anyways.

[Enoch Root]

Fishy? CBA violating? I only suggested that IF he is hurt, that would be their plan.

No one suggested they might try to circumvent the CBA.

[Mccree]

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   CGY expected to clarify today but sounds as tho shoulder surgery is more likely than not for Sam Bennett. If so, he'll be out months.
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[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I would suggest that injuries maybe helping the Flames out in not having to waive or send someone down in the short term to get Bennett his 9 game cup of NHL coffee.

As far as I can see, there a 26 bodies here, including Bennett.

Potter is injured so that makes 25.
Granlund is probably still injured so that makes 24.

Who else is injured (thus making 23 players including Bennett), therefore allowing Bennett to play 9 games, when he's healthy, in the regular season?

Nobody as far as I can tell. There is no more room at the inn for Bennett once he's healthy... unless someone else gets injured or is waived to the minors.

[Rerun]

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rerun

As far as I can see, there a 26 bodies here, including Bennett.

Potter is injured so that makes 25.
Granlund is probably still injured so that makes 24.

Who else is injured (thus making 23 players including Bennett), therefore allowing Bennett to play 9 games, when he's healthy, in the regular season?

Nobody as far as I can tell. There is no more room at the inn for Bennett once he's healthy... unless someone else gets injured or is waived to the minors.

Correct - that was my point. Room for Bennett IF someone goes on IR by the time Bennett is healthy. And the chances of that are pretty high - I don't think the Flames had any games last year with the primary 23 man roster all healthy.

Having said that, if the shoulder surgery thing is accurate, that'll be the end of that.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Correct - that was my point. Room for Bennett IF someone goes on IR by the time Bennett is healthy. And the chances of that are pretty high - I don't think the Flames had any games last year with the primary 23 man roster all healthy.

Having said that, if the shoulder surgery thing is accurate, that'll be the end of that.

I agree. No way the Flames will throw him into the lineup once he's healthy from the shoulder surgery. He'll be sent straight back to the OHL.

[Ozy_Flame]

Not sure if posted elsewhere, but found this on HF (I know, I know):

Hi.
I just saw an article in a big swiss newspaper about Baertschi and his demotion to the AHL. There are several interesting quotes, I will translate them for you:

First of all, they quoted his father, saying that Sven worked harder than ever this summer, following his injury at world championship in Minsk. As all of you know, Burke wanted him to bulk up and he did just that and gained 4kg.

His agent Andy Rufener says: "Sven would have deserved a roster spot. This is not even a question, I watched virtually every preseason game. Clearly, Bob Hartley has a problem with Sven.

His father: "Bob Hartley favors/likes physically strong players, Sven is more of a technically strong player. Last year, he got put in a straightjacket and wasn't allowed to play the way he played best [...]"

Then, there's one quote about Hartley blaming Sven for him being reliable for defeats, but I don't want to change the meaning of it too much by using a wrong word..

The newspaper mentions that a lot of teams were interested in Baertschi in case of a trade, but the Flames held on to him and sent him to the A. They follow up with one last quote:

I don't know what else they want Sven to do [to make the team]. A trade would be the best for everyone involved and that's what I'm hoping for. I think we're done with Calgary.

Translations are my own.
Source: http://www.blick.ch/sport/eishockey/...id3178942.html

[Arya Stark]

Is that last quote his father or his agent?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Is that last quote his father or his agent?

I think it's his Dad if I am following the quotes correctly from the article. Hopefully his agent hasn't made those threats.

[Caged Great]

That's a great attitude to have.

[N-E-B]

IF that article is true, I have two words:

Tim Erixon.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not sure if posted elsewhere, but found this on HF (I know, I know):

the translations are correct and the truth is that those quotes from Svens father are pretty damning. I'd translate them like this:

"Hartley loves physically strong players, but Sven is a finesse player. Last year they wanted him to play differently, he wasn't allowed to play to his strengths anymore and at some point he didn't know what to do on the ice anymore. I visited Sven last year and the mental stress was huge. Hartley destroyed him as if Sven was solely to blame for the losses. The two of them will probably never be friends. I don't know why the Flames even keep Sven any longer. A trade would probably be the best thing, and that's what I hope for now. With Calgary, it's probably over."

Be careful though, "Blick" is a horrible tabloid afaik ... similar to "Bild" in Germany, for example. Those kind of newspapers love to take quotes out of context in order to make headlines.

I've also found this Blick article from a couple of days ago:

http://www.blick.ch/sport/eishockey/...id3180177.html

it basically says that Gaudreau has overtaken Sven as a top prospect and that's also due to the fact that Gaudreau is American and as a result, Burke basically did and still does everything to get Gaudreau on the team instead of Sven. Which is basically BS, so take Blick with a grain of salt is all I'm saying. Svens fathers comments could easily be taken out of context here.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not sure if posted elsewhere, but found this on HF (I know, I know):

Who's the sportswriter?? Swiss version of Eric Francis or Dowboy? I know it is frustrating for Sven to go down to the AHL but the agent and his father(if those are true) are not helping his case. We have several players last season who made it to the opening rosters then got sent down later on. I still think Baertschi, Granlund, Jooris and Reinhart will be back in the NHL in a few months. It is up to them to take the spot and not give it away. I am a big fan of Sven and I cannot wait to watch him in Calgary Flames uniform.

[Da_Chief]

Sven needs to go and destroy AHL, then the Flames have to call him back. It's simple.