10-17-2011, 08:53 AM
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#1141
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That Harbaugh/Schwartz handshake think has gotten way too much coverage. No way it should be the lead story everywhere this morning, there were some interesting games yesterday.
Although I'm pretty sure Harbaugh doesn't mind. He would rather have this than all the media telling his players how good they are. With him being the centre of attention he can keep the team focused over the bye.
The really interesting thing about this team is watching how the playbook has opened up and the young players have gotten involved. The first couple of weeks it looked like a carryover from the Singletary playbook - lots of runs into a big pile of guys. Then there were passing plays from those same formations. And as defences shift to cover those passes the running game has taken off.
While on offence most of the team is the same as last year (with the exception of a couple rookies), on defense there were some significant changes. Half the secondary is new, Bowman took over next to Willis, pro-bowl nose tackle Franklin left but he hasn't been missed with the emergence of Sopoaga.
My point is that there has been some change, but with an entire new coaching staff (other than holdover d-line coach Tomasulo) the entire team started on the same page and you can see them develop game by game. It is exciting to have hope.
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10-17-2011, 10:06 AM
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#1142
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Brandon Lloyd to the Rams.
While the Rams definitely needed a WR, I kind of wonder at this move. The Rams are 4.5 games back and Lloyd is a UFA at the end of the year. I don't think this move gets them to the playoffs.
And when Lloyd was a 49er to start his career he would regularly make the circus catches. The knock on him was he would drop way too many of the regular catches. He would lose focus if the catch was "too easy" and that is why he was traded for a 3rd and 4th to Washington.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-17-2011, 10:27 AM
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#1143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Brandon Lloyd to the Rams.
While the Rams definitely needed a WR, I kind of wonder at this move. The Rams are 4.5 games back and Lloyd is a UFA at the end of the year. I don't think this move gets them to the playoffs.
And when Lloyd was a 49er to start his career he would regularly make the circus catches. The knock on him was he would drop way too many of the regular catches. He would lose focus if the catch was "too easy" and that is why he was traded for a 3rd and 4th to Washington.
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He hasn't dropped much in Denver.
I don't think it makes much sense for the Rams either. Hopefully it is a sign and trade and Denver ends up getting something nice in return.
Doubt it.
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10-17-2011, 10:28 AM
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#1144
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Brandon Lloyd to the Rams.
While the Rams definitely needed a WR, I kind of wonder at this move. The Rams are 4.5 games back and Lloyd is a UFA at the end of the year. I don't think this move gets them to the playoffs.
And when Lloyd was a 49er to start his career he would regularly make the circus catches. The knock on him was he would drop way too many of the regular catches. He would lose focus if the catch was "too easy" and that is why he was traded for a 3rd and 4th to Washington.
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Yeah that trade makes sense, but to late? The rams have yet to ay a division game and could go 6-0 or even 5-1. The possibility to make the playoffs is there, but highly unlikely. If they tried this in the off season it probably would have resulted in more wins.
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10-17-2011, 10:49 AM
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#1145
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Well the Rams knew they were thin at WR before the season began and losing Danny Amendola for the season hurt them more than I think they expected.
But I just read that the Rams may get a compensatory pick if Lloyd leaves after the season, so that would offset the trade somewhat.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-17-2011, 10:51 AM
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#1146
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Voted for Kodos
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When did the NFL change the rule about having both feet down? You used to be able to have one foot down twice and that count as two feet down.
Theoretically, you could have a player catch a ball in the middle of the field, hop on one foot for dozens of yards down the field and through the back of the end zone, and it would be called an incomplete pass?
(thinking of the Crabtree catch in the SF/Det game here)
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10-17-2011, 11:04 AM
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#1147
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Well the rule says, "both feet" but I don't know if or when that changed.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-17-2011, 11:18 AM
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#1148
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Originally Posted by Flickered Flame
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Good to hear, I know from personal experience that Ross does not mess around when it comes to his business properties, glad to see he's taking that stance with the Phins.
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10-17-2011, 11:23 AM
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#1149
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Palmer.
Especially with the receivers the Raiders have. It's a perfect set up for him.
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Palmer flat out sucks. As a Raiders fan I would rather have Garrard as he's more mobile and has done something Palmer never has; win a playoff game plus they wouldn't have to give up anything in return. Garrard hasn't had a single reliable receiver his entire time in Jacksonville and Oakland would be like Christmas for him with all the speed at the position. Raiders don't need an elite QB to sling the ball just a caretaker. Boller is just garbage and I fully expect the Raiders to lose to the Chiefs next week.
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10-17-2011, 11:59 AM
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#1150
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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Gruden signs 5 year extension with MNF: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/pos...levision-booth
Love it. Easily my favourite football broadcast crew, just assumed Gruden would get hired on as a coach somewheres next year. He's replaced Madden as the king of the incidental one-liners. Love the Grudenisms.
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10-17-2011, 12:04 PM
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#1151
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Palmer has never been the same since his knee was wrecked. I really like him, and if he could get close to the same efficiency he would be a great pocket passer for some team with a great o-line. But if he is fearful about getting hit then he is only a steward until a new starter can be found.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-17-2011, 12:19 PM
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#1152
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
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I think Lloyd to the Rams actually makes sense. Lloyd flourished in Josh McDaniels offence, and thats who's running the Rams offence now. If Lloyd is going to get paid than he's going to have to produce, and in the Rams offence McDaniels will give him a chance to do so. I think he'll be signing an extension with the Rams, and it's a decent move for them as he becomes Bradfords, best weapon on the outside by a long shot.
In regards to Palmer, I really can't understand why the Bengals wouldn't just move on at this point. You have a QB in Daulton who appears to be more than capable, and as a second round pick, not making a great deal of money. Say Palmer says, fine I'll end my holdout...now the Bengals are stuck in a situation where they'd probably trade him anyway or look to cut him. I can appreciate them wanting someone to honor a contract...but thats an organization with a shady reputation at best insisting on a guy ending his career. At this point I think they just move him out, get something for him and move on with what is a cleaner slate without Palmer, and Ochicinco.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 10-17-2011 at 12:22 PM.
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10-17-2011, 12:29 PM
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#1153
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Palmer flat out sucks. As a Raiders fan I would rather have Garrard as he's more mobile and has done something Palmer never has; win a playoff game plus they wouldn't have to give up anything in return. Garrard hasn't had a single reliable receiver his entire time in Jacksonville and Oakland would be like Christmas for him with all the speed at the position. Raiders don't need an elite QB to sling the ball just a caretaker. Boller is just garbage and I fully expect the Raiders to lose to the Chiefs next week.
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If that is true...then David Garrard is doggy-doo after being rained on.
Palmer is younger, played more games, started more games, has a higer completion %, a higher TD %, a higher QB rating, fewer sacks (which is hard to believe when comparing the two O-lines), 2 pro-bowls, and never had a running game or back the likes of MJD to help out...though Benson is pretty good.
Its a slam dunk who is better and with Madden seemingly having the input on personel moves now, almost assuredly Palmer will be the next QB in oakland if the price is right and Mike brown can act like an adult and do what's best for his team moving forward.
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10-17-2011, 12:30 PM
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#1154
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
In regards to Palmer, I really can't understand why the Bengals wouldn't just move on at this point. You have a QB in Daulton who appears to be more than capable, and as a second round pick, not making a great deal of money. Say Palmer says, fine I'll end my holdout...now the Bengals are stuck in a situation where they'd probably trade him anyway or look to cut him. I can appreciate them wanting someone to honor a contract...but thats an organization with a shady reputation at best insisting on a guy ending his career. At this point I think they just move him out, get something for him and move on with what is a cleaner slate without Palmer, and Ochicinco.
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It's for the best that they get assets for Palmer but you have a case of two men who have dug their heels and neither wants to be the guy to blink first. Pretty sure Palmer won't be moved until the offseason at best if Brown decides to do the right thing. Like you said Palmer could decide to report and force the issue as the resulting turmoil wouldn't be good for Daulton or the team.
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10-17-2011, 12:35 PM
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#1155
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by transplant99
If that is true...then David Garrard is doggy-doo after being rained on.
Palmer is younger, played more games, started more games, has a higer completion %, a higher TD %, a higher QB rating, fewer sacks (which is hard to believe when comparing the two O-lines), 2 pro-bowls, and never had a running game or back the likes of MJD to help out...though Benson is pretty good.
Its a slam dunk who is better and with Madden seemingly having the input on personel moves now, almost assuredly Palmer will be the next QB in oakland if the price is right and Mike brown can act like an adult and do what's best for his team moving forward.
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Everyone lists Palmers stats that look good pre-injury but post-injury he's never been the same and likely never will. I saw more than a few Bengals games last year and he was Jamarcus Russell bad at times. I don't want the Raiders trading assets for a broken down QB when they can sign a guy like Garrard for the season and move on next year. Jackson has ties with Palmer which worries me because he's not the answer. That said I'd take him over Boller any day of the week.
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10-17-2011, 12:39 PM
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#1156
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It's for the best that they get assets for Palmer but you have a case of two men who have dug their heels and neither wants to be the guy to blink first. Pretty sure Palmer won't be moved until the offseason at best if Brown decides to do the right thing. Like you said Palmer could decide to report and force the issue as the resulting turmoil wouldn't be good for Daulton or the team.
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And to me that's the risk now....you have a team that seems to have a bit of team harmony for once, and less sideshow antics other than guys selling pot out of their basement, which I'm almost inclined to believe, the Bengals encourage anyways.
Say Palmer says okay...I'm reporting to the team on Wednesday after the trade deadline. Than Brown pretty much has a media circus on his hands for the rest of the season, or he has to cut him. He'd be wise to get what he can for him now, and let the team move forward without him. Whether Palmer goes to Oakland, or whereever....I don't think he has to worry about letting Drew Brees walk out the door and make someone else an elite franchise....it's more like letting Elvis Grbac, or Trent Dilfer go elsewhere. Those guys are more like what today's Carson Palmer is. Fart...if the Packers can move on from Brett Farve...the Bengals would be wise to take a page from that book here.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 10-17-2011 at 12:43 PM.
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10-17-2011, 12:44 PM
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#1157
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Mike Brown won't trade Palmer because he won't allow his hand to be forced by a player. If he caves to one then how many other guys are going to demand a trade to get out of Cincinnati, and with how that organization operates you know there would be lots of guys trying to get out if it was easy. Then add Mike Brown's prickly persona into the mix and the odds of Carson Palmer getting moved are so slim as to not worth discussing, however beneficial it would be to all sides.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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10-17-2011, 01:09 PM
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#1158
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Jay Glazer is reporting that David Garrard needs surgery on a herniated disk in his back and is not able to play.
Looks like Carson Palmer might be the only option for the Raiders.
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10-17-2011, 01:32 PM
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#1159
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Mike Brown won't trade Palmer because he won't allow his hand to be forced by a player. If he caves to one then how many other guys are going to demand a trade to get out of Cincinnati, and with how that organization operates you know there would be lots of guys trying to get out if it was easy. Then add Mike Brown's prickly persona into the mix and the odds of Carson Palmer getting moved are so slim as to not worth discussing, however beneficial it would be to all sides.
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That door already opened when Brown and crew dealt Ochocinco.
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10-17-2011, 01:39 PM
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#1160
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Everyone lists Palmers stats that look good pre-injury but post-injury he's never been the same and likely never will. I saw more than a few Bengals games last year and he was Jamarcus Russell bad at times. I don't want the Raiders trading assets for a broken down QB when they can sign a guy like Garrard for the season and move on next year. Jackson has ties with Palmer which worries me because he's not the answer. That said I'd take him over Boller any day of the week.
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he was injured 6 years ago....the season before last he won a division with Baltimore and Pittsburgh in it.
No he isnt the same guy he was coming out of USC, but that doent mean he isnt still very capable, and right now miles ahead of either Garrard or jason Campbell for that matter.
All that being said i have no doubt that Palmer will remain in limbo because Mike Brown is that stupid and petty to not put his teams interests first and instead squabble over something he cannot change.
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