2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Of the group I would target Vilardi as he checks many of the boxes for a top line centre and is likely blocked long term
No idea what it would take

So would I. Unless you can draft one, the best way to get a #1 centre is before he is a #1 centre.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Of the group I would target Vilardi as he checks many of the boxes for a top line centre and is likely blocked long term
No idea what it would take

Wonder if there’s a fit in LA for Gaudreau. Not too sure what a deal might look like involving the two players, but seems like LA might have interest in adding a scoring winger. LA being what it is, a desirable market, might also have a good shot at extending JG.

Just spitballing here...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Wonder if there’s a fit in LA for Gaudreau. Not too sure what a deal might look like involving the two players, but seems like LA might have interest in adding a scoring winger. LA being what it is, a desirable market, might also have a good shot at extending JG.

Just spitballing here...

Johnny certainly has enough trade value to get Vilardi, just depends if LA has any interest. Really doesn’t fit their time table, but who knows, they may have some interest in accelerating the rebuild.


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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Johnny certainly has enough trade value to get Vilardi, just depends if LA has any interest. Really doesn’t fit their time table, but who knows, they may have some interest in accelerating the rebuild.


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I guess another thing worth mentioning is, listening to Versteeg earlier this week, he is of the mindset that the Flames should look to adding a C when they trade JG and move Lindholm back to the wing. It left me wondering, who’s going to give up a C for JG and how good a C can you expect?

[Skyceman]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I guess another thing worth mentioning is, listening to Versteeg earlier this week, he is of the mindset that the Flames should look to adding a C when they trade JG and move Lindholm back to the wing. It left me wondering, who’s going to give up a C for JG and how good a C can you expect?

A playoff team with center depth wanting to add offense to their top line? The tricky part is how young/experienced is the prospect.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I guess another thing worth mentioning is, listening to Versteeg earlier this week, he is of the mindset that the Flames should look to adding a C when they trade JG and move Lindholm back to the wing. It left me wondering, who’s going to give up a C for JG and how good a C can you expect?

Nolan Patrick.

I have a feeling the package will include Patrick at the end of the day

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So would I. Unless you can draft one, the best way to get a #1 centre is before he is a #1 centre.

Just for shiggles, possible deals

Johnny for Dustin Borwn (for cap purposes)+Gabe+Akil Thomas

Doubtful though that the Kings would be interested as it doesn't really fit their contending window. LA does like stars though and Johnny would be a highly marketable player in California.

So if it's not a Johnny deal it's hard to figure out a fit. It seems like the Kings are stacked more at forwards and could use help on the blueline, so perhaps a deal structured around Hanifin, Valimaki or Rasmus.

I'm not someone looking to trade Hanifin, but if you can get a future #1 centre I would consider it. Would want something more back than just Gabe though. Probably similar to my suggested Johnny deal above.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nolan Patrick.

I have a feeling the package will include Patrick at the end of the day

I have not watched a lot of Philly this year at all but his stat line is awful (4 goals and 8 points). Are there any hints in his play that he can actually be a top 6 centre? At this point I would have to think his value is not much different than Sam's was.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just for shiggles, possible deals

Johnny for Dustin Borwn (for cap purposes)+Gabe+Akil Thomas

Doubtful though that the Kings would be interested as it doesn't really fit their contending window. LA does like stars though and Johnny would be a highly marketable player in California.

So if it's not a Johnny deal it's hard to figure out a fit. It seems like the Kings are stacked more at forwards and could use help on the blueline, so perhaps a deal structured around Hanifin, Valimaki or Rasmus.

I'm not someone looking to trade Hanifin, but if you can get a future #1 centre I would consider it. Would want something more back than just Gabe though. Probably similar to my suggested Johnny deal above.

LA definitely makes sense. They do not really need to add a cap dump though, they have 20 million in cap space for next year and nobody to really sign. They are one of the few teams that could pick up a Hanifin and Gaudreau package and not send any salary the other way if they wanted. But they are a logical target for the Flames, a bunch of prospects and a bunch of cap space.

[Roof-Daddy]

I still think LA ends up trading for Eichel.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah I admit I didn't look at their actual space, just accustomed to looking at teams that don't have the room.
So yeah in that case you can take Brown out.
They have a bunch of appealing prospects but I think you can assume Byfield, Turcotte, Kaliyev are all of the table.
Maybe you can get a Bjornfot, Fagemo, Kupari, Anderson-Dolan or Thomas.
Or accumulate picks.

Gabe would be the main piece but I think you would want something else added give he's got some risk attached based on injury history and performance to this point. But the package of tools are appealing. The right combo of size and skill to potentially develop into a #1 pivot. Not going to happen long-term in LA with what they have coming in the pipeline though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have not watched a lot of Philly this year at all but his stat line is awful (4 goals and 8 points). Are there any hints in his play that he can actually be a top 6 centre? At this point I would have to think his value is not much different than Sam's was.

Phillys season has gone very much like the Flames and has been equally disappointing, albeit for different reasons.

Once again goaltending is a massive issue for them.

You know its bad when Elliott is once again your defacto #1.....Hart has been dreadful when he could play.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah that's why there seems to be a fit. Both franchises have had "anything that can go wrong will" types of seasons. And both are at a stage where they were expecting to compete.

I would do a Konecky for Johnny deal. Not because it makes the Flames better per say but it resets the clock on the asset in a favorable way.

And if you can get say a Bobby Brink added - even better.

I don't know what's happened to Hart. I would have bet money on him being one of the more consistent number 1 tenders in the league.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Skyceman

A playoff team with center depth wanting to add offense to their top line? The tricky part is how young/experienced is the prospect.

To me, this is why LA makes sense. It’s looking like they’re going to want to move a young C to fill holes elsewhere. JG might make sense for them as he would definitely slot in as their top line LW, at least 2LW, and he is at an age that would still work well with their group.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I still think LA ends up trading for Eichel.

Would not be a surprise.

[GioforPM]

I can’t see trading Johnny for a reclamation project. He’s either going for a very promising prospect or a high draft pick or both. Or else something like Konecny along with a draft pick (probably conditional).

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have not watched a lot of Philly this year at all but his stat line is awful (4 goals and 8 points). Are there any hints in his play that he can actually be a top 6 centre? At this point I would have to think his value is not much different than Sam's was.

Yeah I’m not in love with the idea, but I could absolutely see a world where Patrick is part of the return for Johnny.

Philly was rumoured to be in trade talks regarding Patrick.

Friedman said Philly and Calgary were both teams who may have laid some groundwork for deals that will get done later (although it wasn’t necessarily about Philly and Calgary doing a deal together).

1st round pick + Gostisbehere + Patrick for Gaudreau + Kylington + depth pick? A deal that *may* work out for both sides? I definitely don’t feel the warm and fuzzies when it comes to Patrick though. His underlying numbers are a pile of “meh”.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Dream Big, Princess.

Guess you’d prefer another decade of mediocrity then? Monahan and Backlund was the best we could do and it got the Flames to the heights of “bubble playoff team.” Until the Flames find themselves another Gilmour-Nieuwendyk combo to build around, this team will stay in perpetual mediocrity like they always have.

[dammage79]

I'd take Patrick on a flyer. I know people are sketchy about him and that's fair, but he still ticks all the boxes on the bio line for this team. And truth be told, we can afford some reclamation projects of our own. There little risk involved in it IMO. He's going to be cheap enough that if it doesn't work out, it's no loss, even at a roster spot. If he does come around (which I think he rebounds just fine, a year away and playing in a covid season without much time to get back up to speed.).
Then again he may flub, but still, there zero risk in that. Especially since his QO is still less than a million a year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd take Patrick on a flyer. I know people are sketchy about him and that's fair, but he still ticks all the boxes on the bio line for this team. And truth be told, we can afford some reclamation projects of our own. There little risk involved in it IMO. He's going to be cheap enough that if it doesn't work out, it's no loss, even at a roster spot. If he does come around (which I think he rebounds just fine, a year away and playing in a covid season without much time to get back up to speed.).
Then again he may flub, but still, there zero risk in that. Especially since his QO is still less than a million a year.

Sure, but he’s certainly not a key ingredient of a Gaudreau trade.

We have had our share of reclamation projects, though - Lazar, Colborne, Shinkaruk, etc. They just haven’t panned out (like probably 90% of such guys).