2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ah123]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Who wouldn’t? I’m not sure you’d get that much but if a first and a mid prospect are part of the package it’s hard to say no

Hanifin is a top four D at worst, and the trading team gets him for two playoffs if they can’t extend him. That should net a top prospect + higher round picks for him. IMO, Flames should be focused on acquiring prospects who might make the big club next year, rather than first round picks

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ah123

Hanifin is a top four D at worst, and the trading team gets him for two playoffs if they can’t extend him. That should net a top prospect + higher round picks for him. IMO, Flames should be focused on acquiring prospects who might make the big club next year, rather than first round picks

Yup, I can certainly get on board with that approach

Can we say Forsberg for Erat!!!

[McG]

I’ve seen similar situations in the corporate world. It’s not hockey, but it is a scenario.

Treliving was given the opportunity to leave last off season or try to win a contract this season. He chose to stay. Most would. I thought that Treliving did the best that he could last summer.

Sutter was brought in to help stabilize the team; he did that but I would say that the players that were brought in are not Sutter style players. I keep thinking that Sutter gets out coached but it’s a lot of the wrong players on the ice.

One scenario that I see is that the season plays out. Treliving is not in complete control. Treliving not renewed. New GM brought in and demands total control. Rebuilds entire hockey operations. Sutter gone as GM brings in new coaches. I think that Coach Q gets a long look for coach. He worked with the former panthers players.

New GM demands contract commitment from UFAs that he wants to keep. Trades ones that he doesn’t want and trades ones that won’t sign. Treliving should have done that but never ever did.

Treliving is gone before the draft.

Predictions? Lombardi as GM and Quenneville as coach.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ah123

Hanifin is a top four D at worst, and the trading team gets him for two playoffs if they can’t extend him. That should net a top prospect + higher round picks for him. IMO, Flames should be focused on acquiring prospects who might make the big club next year, rather than first round picks

The part I’m not sure about is if teams would be willing to do both? First and blue chip prospect. I’m not even sure teams deal blue chippers, period?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

that scares me, the last time he traded for an "impact" d man was Hamonic. that was awful, we gave up so much for a guy who was no better than a 4th or 5th d man.

He also brought in Dougie Hamilton and traded him and got us younger impact players in Lindholm and Hanifin.

If he could flip Hanifin for Chychurn that would be amazing as he now used thaf asset to get younger and a cost controlled player.

The issue is what the plus would with Hanifin because that doesn't move the needle to get a deal done and I'm not trading any picks or prospects.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by McG

I’ve seen similar situations in the corporate world. It’s not hockey, but it is a scenario.

Treliving was given the opportunity to leave last off season or try to win a contract this season. He chose to stay. Most would. I thought that Treliving did the best that he could last summer.

Sutter was brought in to help stabilize the team; he did that but I would say that the players that were brought in are not Sutter style players. I keep thinking that Sutter gets out coached but it’s a lot of the wrong players on the ice.

One scenario that I see is that the season plays out. Treliving is not in complete control. Treliving not renewed. New GM brought in and demands total control. Rebuilds entire hockey operations. Sutter gone as GM brings in new coaches. I think that Coach Q gets a long look for coach. He worked with the former panthers players.

New GM demands contract commitment from UFAs that he wants to keep. Trades ones that he doesn’t want and trades ones that won’t sign. Treliving should have done that but never ever did.

Treliving is gone before the draft.

Predictions? Lombardi as GM and Quenville as coach.

I’d be on board with that. Quenneville seemed to be respected by his players. The big Chicago thing aside, I’d have hoped he’s learned his lesson.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He also brought in Dougie Hamilton and traded him and got us younger impact players in Lindholm and Hanifin.

If he could flip Hanifin for Chychurn that would be amazing as he now used thaf asset to get younger and a cost controlled player.

The issue is what the plus would with Hanifin because that doesn't move the needle to get a deal done and I'm not trading any picks or prospects.

The greater issue is that it's not the type of deal Phoenix is looking for.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The greater issue is that it's not the type of deal Phoenix is looking for.

Haven't paid a lot of attention to what they are looking for. Is it futures?

If so we have the assets to pull it off but we would be left bare.

That's why trading away picks for guys like Forbort Fantenberg and Jarnkrok is bad business.

A team that drafts as well as we have especially in later rounds and we just keep spending those picks.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Back to Carolina?

Provided Meier goes to a team other than Carolina, they are the one team I could see making an offer for Lindholm. That said, I think the flames fully intend to extend Lindholm.

If it turns out Lindholm tells the Flames he is going to test the market in a little over a year from now, the Flames would be smart to wait until the summer where they could have several teams pitching offers.

I don’t see Lindholm being moved at the deadline under any plausible scenario.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Haven't paid a lot of attention to what they are looking for. Is it futures?

If so we have the assets to pull it off but we would be left bare.

That's why trading away picks for guys like Forbort Fantenberg and Jarnkrok is bad business.

A team that drafts as well as we have especially in later rounds and we just keep spending those picks.

Phoenix is looking to trade Chychrun to get cheaper and younger with more team control. Been reporting a million times since he went on the market.

Hanifin is the opposite of what they are looking for. One year to UFA.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ah123

Hanifin is a top four D at worst, and the trading team gets him for two playoffs if they can’t extend him. That should net a top prospect + higher round picks for him. IMO, Flames should be focused on acquiring prospects who might make the big club next year, rather than first round picks

Wasn’t Friedman saying last night that the market for defence men is saturated right now? Seems like the Flames would be selling low if that’s the case.

Again, these are offseason moves. Hanifin is definitely one of the guys from the six headed into UFA seasons the Flames need to know what his intentions are. If he wants to go down south, move him at/before the draft. Do not let that linger.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Wasn’t Friedman saying last night that the market for defence men is saturated right now? Seems like the Flames would be selling low if that’s the case.

Again, these are offseason moves. Hanifin is definitely one of the guys from the six headed into UFA seasons the Flames need to know what his intentions are. If he wants to go down south, move him at/before the draft. Do not let that linger.

Tanev is the guy I'd try and move

[Burn13]

Mangiapane is who I see with value that could move, 2yrs remaining $5.8M and has no NTC. Make some space on the wing for Duehr, or another winger on farm next year. Down year. Dube has taken a step this year making Mangiapane expendable and is $3.5M less a year.

Mangiapane return, not sure like Niederreitter? but 1 more year or term and $1.8M more/year? 2nd round + mid prospect?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Phoenix is looking to trade Chychrun to get cheaper and younger with more team control. Been reporting a million times since he went on the market.

Hanifin is the opposite of what they are looking for. One year to UFA.

Also, why would Arizona do this? They have had Chychrun on the market for at least a year and, apparently, no one has met their ask.

Why would they think they can get more for a relatively comparable player who is older, makes more, and has less control? Never mind all along they’ve been asking for picks/prospects for Chychrun.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Mangiapane is who I see with value that could move, 2yrs remaining $5.8M and has no NTC. Make some space on the wing for Duehr, or another winger on farm next year. Down year. Dube has taken a step this year making Mangiapane expendable and is $3.5M less a year.

Mangiapane return, not sure like Niederreitter? but 1 more year or term and $1.8M more/year? 2nd round + mid prospect?

Makes no sense.

Flames have needed to add a top6 winger all year. Why would they get rid of one? Because he’s had a down year? If you’re trading Mang it’s a hockey trade, not for futures.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Haven't paid a lot of attention to what they are looking for. Is it futures?

If so we have the assets to pull it off but we would be left bare.

That's why trading away picks for guys like Forbort Fantenberg and Jarnkrok is bad business.

A team that drafts as well as we have especially in later rounds and we just keep spending those picks.

The Jarnkrok deal was fine. The team seemed like it was one that could go on a run and investing in it to give it a chance was a sound decision.

Everyone was hot to trot on him and crying for the Flames to go and get him.

[Bunk]

Flames will beat Boston and maybe Boston and Toronto, because of course, and then they will fool themselves into thinking they can compete, and will avoid being a seller, and might even pick up depth, spending some assets.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Tanev is the guy I'd try and move

But why and what are you getting for him? the Flames can go ahead and tell another team they want a first back but if the other team doesn’t like it, they could just move on and talk to the Jackets about Gravikov, or the Blackhawks about McCabe, or……..

Further if the Flames do move Tanev, do they have a RHS D in the wings ready to take that spot? Not as far as I know.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TOfan

But why and what are you getting for him? It’s not like the Flames can go ahead and tell another team they want a first back but if the other team doesn’t like it, they could just move on and talk to the Jackets about Gravikov, or the Blackhawks about McCabe, or……..

Further if the Flames do move Tanev, do they have a RHS D in the wings ready to take that spot? Not as far as I know.

I think the logic behind a Tanev trade is he’s a much better player than the two alternatives mentioned here. So you’d potentially get a 1st ++.

I think there’s no chance he’s moved. Beloved in that room and a culture setter for whatever the team does next.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Flames will beat Boston and maybe Boston and Toronto, because of course, and then they will fool themselves into thinking they can compete, and will avoid being a seller, and might even pick up depth, spending some assets.

This team is 19th in the league in points percentage now. 10th in the west. Doubt it. I don't think they're as adverse to selling as some think. Tre has been pragmatic in the past.