2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agree to disagree I guess.

The Flames have to many holes in their make-up for one guy to take an also ran to cup contender...thats a long leap.

What are the Flames biggest holes? Scoring, depth, coaching.

They addressed the coaching change for better or worse.

Adding Tavares helps with scoring AND depth. Adding a ppg player in his prime helps push Backlund down to the third line which improves depth.

If somehow the Flames add JT they are instant cup contender next year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agree to disagree I guess.

The Flames have to many holes in their make-up for one guy to take an also ran to cup contender...thats a long leap.

Heh, adding Tavares would automatically give us two #1 lines (if they kept Gaudreau and Tavares on separate lines most of the time) and bump Backlund and Frolik down into a more palatable 3rd line role. And that's without making any other changes. Teams biggest weakness was scoring up front and all of a sudden you add a 30+ goal 80+ point center with a history of dragging mediocre wingers into huge pay days and you don't see it making enough of a dent?

Keep in mind, this is roughly around a 90 point team. It seems the last month or so without Monahan, Tkachuk and Brodie where they went into the tank has people forgetting that they actually held a playoff spot and 90+ point pace most of the season.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What are the Flames biggest holes? Scoring, depth, coaching.

They addressed the coaching change for better or worse.

Adding Tavares helps with scoring AND depth. Adding a ppg player in his prime helps push Backlund down to the third line which improves depth.

If somehow the Flames add JT they are instant cup contender next year.

Heart, give a crap, team defense, and the worst bottom 6 in the NHL...bar none.

And though adding JT would help with depth down the middle...thats actually not where the deficiency is. Now you have Jankowski as the defacto 4th line C with Nick Shore as an extra. Does nothing to help the wings.

Dont get me wrong, I would love to see JT wear that Flaming C, but this club has lots and lots of areas to figure out. Maybe BT transforms it enough by July to intrigue him to consider, but even then I still aint buying the contender thing...at least until they show it.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agree to disagree I guess.

The Flames have to many holes in their make-up for one guy to take an also ran to cup contender...thats a long leap.

Nope,
JT slots every center into a premier player at their position.
Flames LW is still deep.
RW could use one player, but the centers would improve their performance.
D is still deep.
Smith will still be great.
Peters, hold on that decision based on October.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What are the Flames biggest holes? Scoring, depth, coaching.

Depth and scoring were not holes before Gulutzan. Heck depth was a strength in Gulutzan's first year, IIRC only Minnesota had more 10 goal scorers in 2016-17.

The Flames biggest hole is not having a right handed shot top 6 forward who will play PP1. The Jets have Laine, Scheifele and Wheeler. The Preds have Forsberg and Johansen. The Sharks have Pavelski. The Knights have Marchessault and Perron. The Penguins have Kessel and Hornqvist. The Caps have Ovechkin and Oshie. The Bruins have Bergeron, Pastrnak, Krejci, Backes. The Lightning have Stamkos, Johnson, Point.

We have our hopes riding on Kris Versteeg being healthy.

Tavares doesn't solve that. He'd be a nice addition, but not a solution

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Depth and scoring were not holes before Gulutzan. Heck depth was a strength in Gulutzan's first year, IIRC only Minnesota had more 10 goal scorers in 2016-17.

The Flames biggest hole is not having a right handed shot top 6 forward who will play PP1. The Jets have Laine, Scheifele and Wheeler. The Preds have Forsberg and Johansen. The Sharks have Pavelski. The Knights have Marchessault and Perron. The Penguins have Kessel and Hornqvist. The Caps have Ovechkin and Oshie. The Bruins have Bergeron, Pastrnak, Krejci, Backes. The Lightning have Stamkos, Johnson, Point.

We have our hopes riding on Kris Versteeg being healthy.

Tavares doesn't solve that. He'd be a nice addition, but not a solution

This insistence on Shot handedness only began with Gulutzen. It won't matter that we're missing a winger with a right handed shot if Tavares is popping 35+ goals on our top line next year and elevating Tkachuk and Bennett's numbers. Our problem is a lack of depth scoring and our 2nd/3rd/4th line getting outmatched. Tavares fixes both of those problems immediately.

[Roof-Daddy]

JT does nothing to help the wings.....except for the fact that he makes his wingers better.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

JT does nothing to help the wings.....except for the fact that he makes his wingers better.

Having Tavares playing with Bennett would answer all our questions about Sam. if he couldn't succeed there, well...

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

JT does nothing to help the wings.....except for the fact that he makes his wingers better.

Except he does. Just like Sid, Malkin, McD, Getzlaf... do for their wingers.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

JT does nothing to help the wings.....except for the fact that he makes his wingers better.

Great...so how does that help the depth on the wings? Which is what that conversation was about as he is a position that isnt really lacking.

[SuperMatt18]

Gaudreau - Tavares - Bennett
Tkachuk - Monahan - Ferland
Jankowski - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapane - Shore - Hathaway
Lazar

That lineup is pretty good. The RH shot option is a bigger issue on the PP than it is at regular strength IMO. If you could upgrade Ferland/Bennett into a true top 6 RW that would be a good move.

I wonder if they would be open to using Hamilton more like a forward on the PP. Place him a little lower instead of on the point and use him as a RH shot one timer option.

[TheKurgan]

If there is any chance of signing Tavares here Treliving better sign Tkachuk long term ASAP. Can't imagine the kind of money Tkachuk would demand after a year of playing on Tavares wing.

[flambers]

Personally I doubt, the Flames have any chance at signing JT

However that's a different topic

I would think a right winger is on the Flames to do list for the off season.

I would also think the Flames are missing many pieces before the word contender is included.

They are more like a bubble team

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheKurgan

If there is any chance of signing Tavares here Treliving better sign Tkachuk long term ASAP. Can't imagine the kind of money Tkachuk would demand after a year of playing on Tavares wing.

We can fit Tkachuk in at a ~7 million bridge if Tavares comes in at 12.5 million.

It's Bennett we will have to worry about, but only if he dramatically improves, and then it's a good problem to have instead of something to be worried about.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Except he does. Just like Sid, Malkin, McD, Getzlaf... do for their wingers.

That's exactly what I said, the first part of that sentence you quoted was sarcastic. He helps the wings by making average wingers better. I'd pay him $10-11 million a year looooong before I'd pay guys like Kane and JVR $6-7 million per year.

Originally Posted by transplant99

Great...so how does that help the depth on the wings? Which is what that conversation was about as he is a position that isnt really lacking.

See above. Tavares helps our wingers out by making them better because he is so good. He has been doing it his whole career in New York.

Also, our center depth isn't that great at all. Monahan and Backlund are fine, but Backlund is more of a really good 3C and merely acceptable as a 2C. After those two we have a very unproven Jankowski, and failed C in Bennett and then nothing. Monahan gets hurt and all of a sudden our 1C is Backlund and our 2C is Jankowski? That's beyond weak.

Then you add Tavares.

Tavares (above average 1C)
Monahan (above average 2C)
Backlund (above average 3C)

Then you have lots of options for 4C and can play other extra C's on the wing. San Jose has been doing that for years now.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's exactly what I said, the first part of that sentence you quoted was sarcastic. He helps the wings by making average wingers better. I'd pay him $10-11 million a year looooong before I'd pay guys like Kane and JVR $6-7 million per year.

Agree to Agree

[dissentowner]

I can't believe we are still talking about Tavares like it is a remote possibility, it isn't. How about we discuss anything in the realm of actual possibility? I mean it is a free board to wish and dream about whatever you want but John Tavares is not going to be a Flame. I have a better chance of winning LottoMax and getting hit by lighting at the same time.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't believe we are still talking about Tavares like it is a remote possibility, it isn't. How about we discuss anything in the realm of actual possibility?

Andrew Mangiapane for Troy Terry

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Andrew Mangiapane for Troy Terry

Good stats in collegiate hockey. I'm assuming this is basically just a proposal to get a rhs with some possibility of playing top 6? I'm definitely not as high on Mangiapane as some others, so this is interesting.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't believe we are still talking about Tavares like it is a remote possibility, it isn't. How about we discuss anything in the realm of actual possibility? I mean it is a free board to wish and dream about whatever you want but John Tavares is not going to be a Flame. I have a better chance of winning LottoMax and getting hit by lighting at the same time.

Just get ready for that tattoo bro.