[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by peter12

Absolutely, but it was definitely less common. The typical "Boomer" boss is so infamous because so many workers of my generation have spent a great deal of time busting their heads up against their bullying and condescending tactics.

That's not to say that Millennials or Gen Z-ers can't be toxic too!

Historically, you've written your fair share of patronizing posts.

You're going to be old one day too.

You ooze arrogance.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I like BT. But seeing Tkachuk, Bennett killing it kills me

So glad he is gone

Me too. 100%. Sure Murray might have mixed a long term deal for MT but if it was never seriously presented and considered because they wanted to keep Frolik that is an absolutely fireable offence.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The cultural shift is a real thing, I brought it up earlier this year when it looked like it wasn't working with Sutter.

As a leader and manager you need to explain why it is what you are doing and how it will benefit the individual and organization. By all accounts Darryl was a poor communicator this season.

You slap a 115 point player on his off wing one day with no reasoning you will get pushback.

If you want to try something different or do things your way that is fine, but you need to get across to the people why it is that they are doing it this way and how it will lead to success. Starting off the seasons telling the media we have no stars and we just need to shoot a bunch isn't a good reason and its a lie as well.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

What I've learned from these generational stereotype conversations is, simply because we've been omitted from the conversation, that Gen-X is clearly the best generation. Also, for reference;

Lost Generation — 1883-1900.
Greatest Generation — 1901-1927.
Silent Generation — 1928-1945.
Baby Boomers — 1946-1964.
Generation X — 1965 - 1980.
Millennials — 1981-1996.
Generation Z — 1997-2012.
Generation Alpha — 2013 - present.

I feel some people don't realize that a "Boomer" is as young as 56/57. I'm pretty sure most 56 year olds don't fall in to the "old curmudgeon" boss category.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

What I've learned from these generational stereotype conversations is, simply because we've been omitted from the conversation, that Gen-X is clearly the best generation. Also, for reference;

Lost Generation — 1883-1900.
Greatest Generation — 1901-1927.
Silent Generation — 1928-1945.
Baby Boomers — 1946-1964.
Generation X — 1965 - 1980.
Millennials — 1981-1996.
Generation Z — 1997-2012.
Generation Alpha — 2013 - present.

I feel some people don't realize that a "Boomer" is as young as 56/57. I'm pretty sure most 56 year olds don't fall in to the "old curmudgeon" boss category.

But you don't need to BE old to act like an old curmudgeon.
It's about the culture someone is socialized and raised in.
Which is likely why, on the whole, Gen X is one of the most right leaning generations. The coming of age during Reaganism etc.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

But you don't need to BE old to act like an old curmudgeon.
It's about the culture someone is socialized and raised in.
Which is likely why, on the whole, Gen X is one of the most right leaning generations. The coming of age during Reaganism etc.

I never would have predicted my light hearted post would get a response leading into politics. I honestly have no idea or desire to determine if there's any correlation between Gen-X political leanings and how Reagan affected them. Especially as a Canadian. Have a great weekend.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I never would have predicted my light hearted post would get a response leading into politics. I honestly have no idea or desire to determine if there's any correlation between Gen-X political leanings and how Reagan affected them. Especially as a Canadian. Have a great weekend.

Sorry, I wasn't so much talking about Reagan specifically, more than using him as a milepost about the western world cultural shift rightward (Mulroney, Thatcher) in the 80s and the cultural forces surrounding that, and the cultural soup folks would have been raised into.

I wasn't making an overly political point, merely talking about cultural zeitgeists informing culture of those who come of age in that time.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Sorry, I wasn't so much talking about Reagan specifically, more than using him as a milepost about the western world cultural shift rightward (Mulroney, Thatcher) in the 80s and the cultural forces surrounding that, and the cultural soup folks would have been raised into.

I wasn't making an overly political point, merely talking about cultural zeitgeists informing culture of those who come of age in that time.

Using ThunderCats as a cultural zeitgeist would have been more applicable

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Historically, you've written your fair share of patronizing posts.

You're going to be old one day too.

You ooze arrogance.

I thought it was funny that this poster accused an entire demographic of playing “the victim card”

Originally Posted by peter12

………Anyway, love it when Boomers play the victim card.

Then a couple of posts later, played the victim card.

Originally Posted by peter12

………The typical "Boomer" boss is so infamous because so many workers of my generation have spent a great deal of time busting their heads up against their bullying and condescending tactics……

Arrogant for sure
But
When combined with this sort of ignorance, credibility suffers.

[Psytic]

I like when this board talks about Hockey.

[FanIn80]

What are you guys even talking about?

(that's rhetorical btw)

[Jiri Hrdina]

What? You guys aren't enjoying people sniping at each other in ways that are completely irrelevant to the actual topic?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

I thought it was funny that this poster accused an entire demographic of playing “the victim card”




Then a couple of posts later, played the victim card.




Arrogant for sure
But
When combined with this sort of ignorance, credibility suffers.

My god, your generation is super touchy. I was just explaining the rationale for some generational prejudice.

[TheIronMaiden]

I think my preference would be an external hire for both the coach and the GM. this team needs fresh eyes.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by peter12

My god, your generation is super touchy. I was just explaining the rationale for some generational prejudice.

Sorry
I opened the thread to see if there was any more news about the firing, saw this whole discussion and pointed out something that I found funny. It made me chuckle.
Didn’t mean to set you off.

[devo22]

given that the alternative is probably talking about Sam Bennett yet again, I don't mind this.

[Yeah_Baby]

so, how about that local sports team, big off season coming up.

[taxbuster]

The discussion IS actually relevant, although it goes off the rails IMO here and there. There was clearly a divide between Sutter and players, possibly between Sutter and Tre and between some players and other players.

Some of those MAY have been generational, and, if so they MAY play into whom the org seeks to hire in each position. Given that we don't know the deets, we can only speculate (what? on CP? speculate?).

If I were a guessing person - and I am - I'd guess that Sutter got grumpy at complaints - rightly or wrongly. His grumpiness translated to a lack of communication with certain, but not all, players. That was not a generational effect, but it DID create disruption in a certain group. A personnel issue, if you wish.

If the Coach and the GM were out of sync - as it appears they were - with respect to player usage, that too, can't be simply a generational issue. Once again...that is a hockey issue.

All three "divides" come down to personnel management and clearly, between the people entrusted with doing that work, it didn't occur, and nobody bothered doing anything about it, including the majority owner. (He may, in fact, have exacerbated it with the extension!)

It's hard to know from the outside what role Conny or Pascall played in that, if any. But I'd expect that Maloney knows...and that may well figure into his selections and where he sees each of them fitting in the "new" Flames org.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by devo22

given that the alternative is probably talking about Sam Bennett yet again, I don't mind this.

You called?

“We were our best line in the bubble, especially in that Winnipeg series and early on in the Dallas series,” Lucic said. “Even getting to play with him that first year when (former Flames coach Geoff) Ward took over, I was like, ‘Man, why does this guy not get to play more?’ I remember saying that to Benny, and I said it to Wardo. I remember thinking that he brings jam, he has skill, he plays a hard style.

“His style is kind of hard to play for a full 82-game season, but you’re seeing why he has success in the playoffs.”

“It was frustrating, and Sam didn’t really want to leave,” Ferris said. “We went through this for years. Throughout that time, I had approached him about a trade. I would say, ‘Let me go nuclear and we’ll get you out of there.’ But he wouldn’t let me. He wanted to try to make it work. And he did sincerely try to make it work. But for whatever reason, none of (the Flames coaches) were as astute as Paul Maurice is to notice, ‘Hey, this kid is a bit of a throwback. He’s a hell of a player.’

“It just boggles my mind that they couldn’t see that.”

When Bennett struggled to find his stride in Calgary, other NHL teams would prod Gilmour about his former player.

“I had GMs at the NHL Draft coming up to me when he was with Calgary saying, ‘What do you think of Sam?'” the Leafs legend recalled. “I would say, ‘Go for it. He’s going to compete hard for you, and he’s just going to get better.’

https://theathletic.com/4491996/2023...-nhl-playoffs/

[FlamesAddiction]

The more I hear about how poorly this team was managed makes me so glad that Treliving is gone. I can’t see how anyone can defend him anymore. Oh yeah, something something Murray Edwards, something something Darryl Sutter.