[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Gaudreauvertime, there are too many posts between this thread and past threads for me to look through, but would it be fair to say you believe $8M is "fair market value" for Gaudreau?

I think he's worth 7.5M-8M in terms of market value. Could be much higher after one more season like last year.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Isikiz

According to the poll from the previous thread, he voted $7.25M-$7.375M - which is strange. The way he acts make sure it seem like he wants to give Gaudreau much more.

The poll asked how much I think he would sign for if he signed a 7 year deal.

[jemjey]

Gaudreauvertime takes over threads like Gaudreau takes over games.

[Robo]

Calgary has now won 2 pre season games in a row without Gaudreau completley removing the smiles from Gaudreau's camp replacing them with frowns

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think he's worth 7.5M-8M in terms of market value. Could be much higher after one more season like last year.

Worth? In an imaginary world where he's a UFA? How is that relevant to the discussion?

His relative value after, or even during, each season is irrelevant because he's not going to be negotiating a contract at that time.

All that matters is what he's worth right now because he's negotiating a contract right now. And that includes all other variables, like the fact that he's an RFA with few rights, buying UFA years etc.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Worth? In an imaginary world where he's a UFA? How is that relevant to the discussion?

His relative value after, or even during, each season is irrelevant because he's not going to be negotiating a contract at that time.

All that matters is what he's worth right now because he's negotiating a contract right now. And that includes all other variables, like the fact that he's an RFA with few rights, buying UFA years etc.

...and taking that all into account, I'd say the market shows his value as 7.5-8M. Ekblad and Tarasenko set the market for truly elite young players.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...and taking that all into account, I'd say the market shows his value as 7.5-8M. Ekblad and Tarasenko set the market for truly elite young players.

I'm too lazy to find it all, but given his rights, UFA years, stats, potential contract length etc, I think there have been plenty of posts in this thread and the previous one showing that a really good argument could be made that his value is about $1M per season lower than that.

I personally voted for a contract within that $7.5-8M range but what do I know? However, some excellent arguments that the Flames should hold their ground and sign him for closer to Gio or Monahan money have been made by other posters and I must say their reasoning is well thought out and makes sense.

It doesn't really matter though. The point is that Trolly Mctrollerson is going to continue his song and dance and move the goalposts, insult the board and make hilarious and wild accusations about CP and the Flames org while defending Johnny from imaginary boogeymen who are out to screw him out of a lucrative contract.

[Schraderbrau]

Pay the man right around 7 to 7.5 and move on. That's his value.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Well ya, it's just that easy right?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Robo

Calgary has now won 2 pre season games in a row without Gaudreau completley removing the smiles from Gaudreau's camp replacing them with frowns

As much as I wish this was the case I sincerely doubt it.

Both rosters we played were filled with a ton of "who?"

[Locke]

Its alright guys, I got this.

On my recent trip to Poland I contracted Krysztof Oliwa to abduct and detain Jane Gaudreau, Johnny's mother.

She'll be treated well and honourably...well...by Polish standards so theres probably a lot of sausage involved as well as the pervasive stench of boiled cabbage, but unfortunately that really couldnt be helped.

Once Johnny signs his contract she'll be released unharmed...well, I cant speak to her cholesterol, theres only so many factors I can control here. Have you ever met Oliwa? Or any Pole for that matter?

Anyways...once Johnny signs she'll be free to go. Well...in Poland. She'll have to find her own way home. I only have so many resources.

To really give Johnny some incentive I instructed Krys (because we're cool like that now) to let her keep her cell phone so she can text Johnny all of the terrible things that are happening to her so he can hurry up and sign.

The last text reads:

"Dear Johnny, so far I'm up 2300 in poker winnings, apparently thats in Zloty though so I think its pretty much worthless, either way these guys really cant hold their Sobieski. I've called their mothers and expressed my disappointment in both their poker and alcohol handling skills. Reprimands have been made. Sign nothing!"

Aw crap...this isnt going well at all. In retrospect I may not have picked the right man for this particular job. Jane's going to win this one I think.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Between trolls and joke stealers this thread is too much.

This thread is really starting to remind me of Amy Schumer.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I Like Johnny as much as the next guy but the Flames need to stay strong on this and get good value for their money. They have an entire team to worry about and this would set a dangerous precedent.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its alright guys, I got this.

On my recent trip to Poland I contracted Krysztof Oliwa to abduct and detain Jane Gaudreau, Johnny's mother.

She'll be treated well and honourably...well...by Polish standards so theres probably a lot of sausage involved as well as the pervasive stench of boiled cabbage, but unfortunately that really couldnt be helped.

Once Johnny signs his contract she'll be released unharmed...well, I cant speak to her cholesterol, theres only so many factors I can control here. Have you ever met Oliwa? Or any Pole for that matter?

Anyways...once Johnny signs she'll be free to go. Well...in Poland. She'll have to find her own way home. I only have so many resources.

To really give Johnny some incentive I instructed Krys (because we're cool like that now) to let her keep her cell phone so she can text Johnny all of the terrible things that are happening to her so he can hurry up and sign.

The last text reads:

"Dear Johnny, so far I'm up 2300 in poker winnings, apparently thats in Zloty though so I think its pretty much worthless, either way these guys really cant hold their Sobieski. I've called their mothers and expressed my disappointment in both their poker and alcohol handling skills. Reprimands have been made. Sign nothing!"

Aw crap...this isnt going well at all. In retrospect I may not have picked the right man for this particular job. Jane's going to win this one I think.

Polak is that you?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Polak is that you?

Hardly!

I took one for the team on this one. Have you ever been to Poland? 'Tis a miserable place.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think he's worth 7.5M-8M in terms of market value. Could be much higher after one more season like last year.

Okay, so in your estimation, Gaudreau is worth $7.5-8M. And as best we can infer, his agent started his negotiations at $8M.

After all, our primary source on the negotiations still seems to be Eric Francis' article from September 9th, that says:

Sources say Gaudreau’s agent, Lewis Gross, is asking for a payday in the $8-million range while the Flames are pushing to pay between what Sean Monahan signed for ($6.375 million annual average value) and what captain Mark Giordano makes (a team-high $6.75 million AAV).

So, out of curiosity (since my job doesn't involve negotiations or teaching seminars to Fortune 500 executives), is it a good idea to start your negotiation with what you believe is "fair market value"? Or rather, should your initial asking price be higher than you believe is reflective of your value in order to negotiate down what is an actual fair market price?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Okay, so in your estimation, Gaudreau is worth $7.5-8M. And as best we can infer, his agent started his negotiations at $8M.

Well, technically $6.375 is closer to $8 if $8 is your endpoint, which makes $4 your median and ergo $6.375 is closer to $8 than $4.

See? A little mathematical fun and some judiciously liberal rounding and presto! Problem Solved!

Someone get me in touch with Johnny's Agent and we can bang this out in no time.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hardly!

I took one for the team on this one. Have you ever been to Poland? 'Tis a miserable place.

seems to fit with Polak's persona

[pylon]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

Gaudreauvertime, there are too many posts between this thread and past threads for me to look through, but would it be fair to say you believe $8M is "fair market value" for Gaudreau?

As much as Gaudreauvertime rustles my Jimmies, I would say, yes.... he is.

If any team could sign him right this second, wihtout any impedence from the Flames, I bet he signs for 8-8.5 mil. Personally, I think he is currently worth 7 +/-, but I believe within the next few seasons that could climb to him being worth north of 8 mil.

The only thing diminishing his 'actual' value is the fact the Flmaes have him locked in, and in the end, can determine if he plays this year or not. If you base his value on his performance, franchise value, marketability, he's well worth every penny of 8 million.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by pylon

As much as Gaudreauvertime rustles my Jimmies, I would say, yes.... he is.

If any team could sign him right this second, wihtout any impedence from the Flames, I bet he signs for 8-8.5 mil. Personally, I think he is currently worth 7 +/-, but I believe within the next few seasons that could climb to him being worth north of 8 mil.

The only thing diminishing his 'actual' value is the fact the Flmaes have him locked in, and in the end, can determine if he plays this year or not. If you base his value on his performance, franchise value, marketability, he's well worth every penny of 8 million.

Yes. If we pretended hockey could return to open market times with no cap or restricted free agents, Gaudreau would be making 8 million dollars a year or more**

** Assuming all 30 teams could survive and the league was profitable enough to offer such a contract