Would you guys take a chance on Zachary Fucale if her was available at 28 to 30 range? He is supposed to be the best Canadian goalie since Carey Price. Could get a franchise Centerman and Franchise goalie in one draft.
Would you guys take a chance on Zachary Fucale if her was available at 28 to 30 range? He is supposed to be the best Canadian goalie since Carey Price. Could get a franchise Centerman and Franchise goalie in one draft.
From watching him play, he is really good. Definitely the best junior goalie I have ever seen play live. Some team will take him around 20
But I am pretty much fully against taking goalies in the 1st round no matter what. Just as likely to get a starting goalie in the 5th round pretty much
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I'd rather have another team draft goalies in the first round and develop them, and then we trade for them later. That's how we got Kiprusoff, and he turned into a Vezina candidate for us.
Look at a situation like Boston's (Rask and Kudohbin) and LA's (Quick and Bernier) - both backups are capable of being starters. Given the limited amount of teams that need starting goaltenders, they would be easier to acquire in a trade than, say, a premium centre would. I do believe, comparatively speaking, goaltenders with starter potential are easier to acquire.
Just my take on it, though.
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Yeah, drafting a goalie in the first round is a bigger crapshoot than drafting a Russian. It's just not worth the pain considering how long it takes to develop them, and how much of an enigma they are. By the time most goalies are ready, they are already on their 2nd or 3rd organization.
Where do you need improvement: "Skating and reaction speed."
NHL Central Scouting: "He was one of the reasons why Tappara finished second in the league," Director of European Scouting Goran Stubb told NHL.com. "Just consistent, cool, smart two-way center. An injured shoulder will keep him out the remainder of the season, but that won't hurt his high draft status. He's not a great skater, but always seems to be in the right spot at the right time. He's a very good stick-handler with great vision."
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Barkov's own assessment of his strengths and weaknesses seems spot on. As a player who is very good at managing the puck and making the correct plays, goal highlight videos don't do him justice. The Mikko Koivu comparison isn't terrible but I think there's also a hint of Barkov's humility in there. He's literally years ahead of Koivu in development and shows much more offense at his age, and Barkov knows that.
That doesn't mean that Barkov will be as much ahead of Koivu in his prime, obviously, but we can't overlook how great his game has been this season. He himself says that his season was okay and that he lacked some steam in the middle part of the season, but his season was practically unprecendented for a player of his age. It's a good sign that he doesn't seem overly impressed by himself.
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I'd rather have another team draft goalies in the first round and develop them, and then we trade for them later. That's how we got Kiprusoff, and he turned into a Vezina candidate for us.
Look at a situation like Boston's (Rask and Kudohbin) and LA's (Quick and Bernier) - both backups are capable of being starters. Given the limited amount of teams that need starting goaltenders, they would be easier to acquire in a trade than, say, a premium centre would. I do believe, comparatively speaking, goaltenders with starter potential are easier to acquire.
Just my take on it, though.
Yeah just wanted to add, in 2001 (?) we had three 2nd round picks, so thought "hey, maybe it might be ok to burn a 2nd round pick on a goalie, cause we have to many" ... so we took Andrei Medvedev (bust), took a forward (No 1 C!) Andrei Taratuhkin (bust) and I believe the 3rd 2nd round pick we traded for Mikka Elomo (bust)... so even with a few 1st round picks, don't waist it on a goalie!
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So, if you had to pick one of Mackinnon, Drouin, Jones or Barkov that would be the most likely to bust or not live up to their expectations, which one would it be?
Also, is it a given that all 4 are NHL ready? I saw that someone mentioned that, but after searching the net, I can't find that in print anywhere.
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Yeah just wanted to add, in 2001 (?) we had three 2nd round picks, so thought "hey, maybe it might be ok to burn a 2nd round pick on a goalie, cause we have to many" ... so we took Andrei Medvedev (bust), took a forward (No 1 C!) Andrei Taratuhkin (bust) and I believe the 3rd 2nd round pick we traded for Mikka Elomo (bust)... so even with a few 1st round picks, don't waist it on a goalie!
I think there is excellent strategy to be captured in letting other teams draft and develop players. We shouldn't rely solely on the efforts of our own department; let others do the work.
For example: Derek Smith - signed and developed by Ottawa, then we took him and turned him into a full-time NHL'er. Ottawa did all the groundwork, we just exploited his potential and development-to-date.
Rene Bourque was also a player signed and developed by Chicago, and then we acquired him right before his career skyrocketed. We reaped the benefit of years of development, and only for the cost of 2nd round pick. Chicago spent all the time and effort on him; we just placed him in an environment that exploited his potential further.
Another good one? Kiprusoff, who developed in the San Jose system and we gave a 2nd rounder for him (probably even an over-payment at the time, but hindsight is 20/20). San Jose laid laid all the ground work for his transition into the NHL, all at their expense.
Mark Cundari could potentially be the next one that makes the jump to the NHL using this strategy. Developed under St, Louis, he has potential to turn into a Mark Giordano type. Time will tell, but this would be one of those situations where we didn't have to do any work.
Point is, other teams are good resources for development. Flames should use this strategy to their advantage.
A 6'3" center with Datsyuk like skill does not come very often.
Who would be a comparable? Kopitar?
He is growing on me too. Just seeing how he can handle playing with men aged 25 to 35 and seeing the commradery, he seems mature beyond years and seems to really have their respect. It's not easy for a teen to walk onto a team like that and get that. It probably helps that he seems like he is all business and does it without showboating.
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