Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Besides the fact that its not always the NHL's job to protect teams from themselves, I don't think they particularly like big, overpaid contracts driving up player salaries after we JUST had a lockout to try and get salaries out of control. So, if a team (i.e. Flames) try and blow their brains out, its not the NHL's job to make sure they do carry it out.

Its not their job... but they also aren't in the 'gotcha' business.

[dino7c]

everyone saying its such a bad contract...Calgary thought it was worth it, as did the Avs, and pretty much any team with a chance would have picked him up

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by BigJim

I just find it hard to believe that the NHL would allow one of it's clubs to get into this position, especially since it affects the player so severely.

https://twitter.com/andystrickland

"NHL didn't indicate waivers would be needed when several interested teams checked with league regarding O'Reilly contract"

Well then this is just a whole other big bag of WTF. I know one of the joys of getting older is realizing that everybody sucks at their jobs but apparently it's EVERYBODY everybody? Ho-ly christ.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well then this is just a whole other big bag of WTF. I know one of the joys of getting older is realizing that everybody sucks at their jobs but apparently it's EVERYBODY everybody? Ho-ly christ.

thats just it, Feaster should be being praised for finding this flaw. The NHL didnt know about it, COL didnt know about it, the agent didnt know about it, at least 4 other teams didnt know about it. HUGE blunder by the NHL.

everyone can start dismounting their high horses now...

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well then this is just a whole other big bag of WTF. I know one of the joys of getting older is realizing that everybody sucks at their jobs but apparently it's EVERYBODY everybody? Ho-ly christ.

1st, when did they inquire?
2nd, Feaster didn't inquire with the NHL.

[JiriHrdina]

I have to think the the agent involved is probably feeling relieved that this didn't go down too. He should have advised his client in a crystal clear manner not to play in the KHL after the start of the NHL season.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

thats just it, Feaster should be being praised for finding this flaw. The NHL didnt know about it, COL didnt know about it, the agent didnt know about it, at least 4 other teams didnt know about it. HUGE blunder by the NHL.

everyone can start dismounting their high horses now...

I'd say the SportsNet reporter deserves the credit.


Can we please. hire him as our CBA expert from now on!!!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

I'm not got to go back through this entire thread, but I was of the impression that multiple teams were extending an offer sheet to ROR (including possibly Van), however ROR elected to sign the offer with Calgary. Should those other GM's (although I'm sure they're all acting like they had no interest) not lose their jobs as well. They dodged a bullet when ROR signed with Calgary, just like how Calgary dodged a bullet when Colorado matched the offer sheet. Or, is it more likely that a number of teams were of belief that this rule would work in their favour just like Calgary did?

O'Reilly's agent said other teams showed interest, but he stopped short of saying that other offers were actually made.

O'Reilly said weeks ago that he had offers but was waiting for the Avs. The thing is, a lot of times free agents will start rumours about getting offers in order to prompt teams to inquire. You can't always take those things at face value.

[morgin]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

thats just it, Feaster should be being praised for finding this flaw. The NHL didnt know about it, COL didnt know about it, the agent didnt know about it, at least 4 other teams didnt know about it. HUGE blunder by the NHL.

everyone can start dismounting their high horses now...

There wasn't really a flaw. It's way more likely that until some SN reporter who doesn't understand contract interpretation wrote an "exclusive report" about this waiver issue, no one contemplated it as actually being the intention of the clause. Then instead of taking the time to understand what was being asked, Daly shot off his mouth not fully understanding the situation which apparently he had to later recant. This created a drama ####storm, because then feaster has to put on kid gloves to release a presser that effectively says "the way we interpret the clause (the right way) means that this waiver issue would never have been an issue" without calling out everyone who wrote first and thought things through after.

I think the press release was excellently worded. Anyone who is saying he took a gamble by doing this without checking with the league is assuming anyone associated with the NHL would read the clause that way. Daly made the mistake of saying he did before the NHL lawyers had a chance to pick apart what was being asked. Now their position is that it's an academic issue and a moot point. As in, we all overreacted, lets hope this blows over.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I have to think the the agent involved is probably feeling relieved that this didn't go down too. He should have advised his client in a crystal clear manner not to play in the KHL after the start of the NHL season.

Why they just got a huge pay day thanks to Feaster.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nik-

If you guys are still buying that Feaster even knew about this rule well then I've got a bridge to sell you. There's no way someone who's aware of this gambles the picks on an assumption instead of making a 3 minute phone call to make sure.

He got exposed and he's in damage control mode. Unfortunately for him, his excuse makes him appear reckless instead of just incompetent.

I agree. In the released statement, he states that both he and Morris interpreted the rule differently, but then when Morris was asked, he said he had no idea it was even a possibility.

That right there tells me that he was in damage control mode and was caught off guard by it. Maybe it's true that after a mediation and arguing his case, NHLPA intervention, and sacrificing a goat to Batoo, the goat god; he would have gotten away with it.... but there is no way in hell that was his plan from the start.... and even if it was, that is a terrible chance to take.

(Not to mention I hated the contract even before the hullabaloo)

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

Why they just got a huge pay day thanks to Feaster.

Same reason that fans are concerned about this.

As the player, even though the bullet was dodged, you wouldn't be concerned that your agent didn't warn you that by playing in a couple of meaningless KHL games you were basically taking out the possibility of an offer sheet? Or at least exposing yourself to waivers and not being able to control where you sign?

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by morgin

There wasn't really a flaw. It's way more likely that until some SN reporter who doesn't understand contract interpretation wrote an "exclusive report" about this waiver issue, no one contemplated it as actually being the intention of the clause. Then instead of taking the time to understand what was being asked, Daly shot off his mouth not fully understanding the situation which apparently he had to later recant. This created a drama ####storm, because then feaster has to put on kid gloves to release a presser that effectively says "the way we interpret the clause (the right way) means that this waiver issue would never have been an issue" without calling out everyone who wrote first and thought things through after.

I think the press release was excellently worded. Anyone who is saying he took a gamble by doing this without checking with the league is assuming anyone associated with the NHL would read the clause that way. Daly made the mistake of saying he did before the NHL lawyers had a chance to pick apart what was being asked. Now their position is that it's an academic issue and a moot point. As in, we all overreacted, lets hope this blows over.

Thanks Jay, if only the "Flames braintrust" put this much thought into things before hand.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Its not their job... but they also aren't in the 'gotcha' business.

It seems obvious the veteran and prominent player agent didn't know and because of that the player almost found himself in an embarrassing boo-boo and likely would have ended up playing someplace he hadn't intended.

The Flames didn't know obviously.

The Avs didn't seem to know either or they would have told everyone to isolate the player and limit his bargaining options. Then they wouldn't be paying off on a contract they hate.

The NHL seems to have been surprised and realized it had to make a ruling to warn off similar situations in the future.

Frankly, if he Avs hadn't matched I think the NHL would have allowed a single instance exception and disallowed anything similar in the future.

If Feaster didn't know, though, he seems to have had a lot of interesting company.

Tempest in a teapot.

Cowperson

[Brick]

There were 4 other teams that presented offer sheets to O'Reilly as well. This makes it obvious that the NHL dropped the ball on this by not sending a memo clarifying new waiver rules to it's teams.

[stignasty]

I'm happy with saying that the Flames dodged a bullet and I can live with that moving forward.

The worst part of it right now will be waiting for the hockey media to work themselves out of "Ha! Ha! Stupid Flames!" mode.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Brick

There were 4 other teams that presented offer sheets to O'Reilly as well. This makes it obvious that the NHL dropped the ball on this by not sending a memo clarifying new waiver rules to it's teams.

Sorry, but if the GM of Vancouver can figure it out, then i would hope a lawyer acting as a GM could figure it out.

Ken Holland today said that if he was in the same situation he would have called the league office. He said he would not take the gamble that Feaster took.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by nik-

1st, when did they inquire?
2nd, Feaster didn't inquire with the NHL.

Agree that it's inexcusable that he didn't make the call first hand. Though being under the impression that multiple teams had already inquired and were told it wouldn't be an issue might have meant he felt he didn't need to.

Which is still irresponsible, but the situation keeps changing with more information coming out, and it really just looks like a whole cluster**** caused as much by the lockout as it was Feaster's negligence.

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sorry, but if the GM of Vancouver can figure it out, then i would hope a lawyer acting as a GM could figure it out.

Ken Holland today said that if he was in the same situation he would have called the league office. He said he would not take the gamble that Feaster took.

Nobody in their right mind should have 'gambled' like this. The 'gamble' with an offer sheet is that you get the player in exchange for some valuable draft picks. It isn't 'do we get this player at all after we appeal, go to court, and have a coin flip's chance of success once we get past the 33% chance of successfully pulling said offer sheet off in the first place thus leaving us with a net total of less than 25% chance of the move ending in anything less than total ruin'.

Stupid effing gamble. There are two casinos within walking distance of your office, Jay, go play blackjack if you're in a hurry to lose. Or just watch your team play.

[Northern Lites]

"Dumber and Dumber".........!

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Brick

There were 4 other teams that presented offer sheets to O'Reilly as well. This makes it obvious that the NHL dropped the ball on this by not sending a memo clarifying new waiver rules to it's teams.

Source?

Im preety sure the Flames were the only team.