2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Seems to me like treliving is being realistic. Highly possible that ownership has different opinions about trying to compete this year. Sell is the best course of action, and really the only one that approaches sense, unless you're driven entirely by the illusion of short term profits via 2 playoff games.

I think you’re likely right. Ownership’s singular vision to make the playoffs has put the Flames in the position they’re in more than Treliving has. I would be surprised if he’s back at this point and I think it will be his decision to leave.

I would love to hear more about what Carolina offered the Flames for Tkachuk. I know Necas was reported to have been part of the deal but what else??

[Flamesfan05]

After last night, whoever thinks they can add and beat the top teams like the Aves is really dumb and shouldn’t be running or owning the team

A rebuild is desperately needed to compete

You have an off suit hand, time to fold not to go all in lol

[Goriders]

There’s not going to be a rebuild and I don’t think they need one.

They have to sort out the goaltending, figure out the powerplay and why the team is so inconsistent. I think they can beat anyone if they show up. But that’s the problem. That happens in a third of the games.

That’s a leadership problem.

[devo22]

I don't think it'll happen, but if they do decided to pull the trigger and blow it up, they'd have a massive opportunity in the summer. Lindholm, Toffoli and Hanifin are one year away from free agency, are having good seasons and are still on pretty cheap deals. I'd imagine you could get excellent deals for them at the draft, maybe even with an extension in place.

but yeah, I doubt they'll go this road. Far more likely, they'll put this season on bad goaltending, bad puck luck and new guys slowly settling in, and convince themselves to give it another go next season.

[Mr.Coffee]

I’ll never understand this “wait to summer” “wait to the draft” total nonsense.

It’s more likely you’ll get better value now, like right ####ing now when a team is staring a playoff race / berth in the face and see a high quality player like Lindholm available. This is the time a team will say “#### it, give them that extra pick / better prospect”.

You trade now you’re getting 1sts, 2nds, A prospects. You wait for draft you’re getting worse quality assets. This is basic asset management. Teams are desperate and want to win a cup not in the summer when they don’t know what they are next year yet. The fact these guys have another year on their deals makes them all the more valuable.

You need to blow it up / start making good deals yesterday. This season is done. Start trading.

[Flamesfan05]

No they can not beat the Avalanche even if they show up unless the Avalanches don’t show up themselves. They were on back to back missing their best dman and they toyed with the Flames.

This team is not close. They are missing a legit 1st line, a consistent legit goalie, and the defense is full of leaks

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

No they can not beat the Avalanche even if they show up unless the Avalanches don’t show up themselves. They were on back to back missing their best dman and they toyed with the Flames.

This team is not close. They are missing a legit 1st line, a consistent legit goalie, and the defense is full of leaks

The beat them this season

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ll never understand this “wait to summer” “wait to the draft” total nonsense.

It’s more likely you’ll get better value now, like right ####ing now when a team is staring a playoff race / berth in the face and see a high quality player like Lindholm available. This is the time a team will say “#### it, give them that extra pick / better prospect”.

You trade now you’re getting 1sts, 2nds, A prospects. You wait for draft you’re getting worse quality assets. This is basic asset management. Teams are desperate and want to win a cup not in the summer when they don’t know what they are next year yet. The fact these guys have another year on their deals makes them all the more valuable.

You need to blow it up / start making good deals yesterday. This season is done. Start trading.

‘Basic asset management’?

Dude, all due respect, but you probably don’t know what you don’t know.

Hypothetically, who do you think the Flames are talking to about Lindholm and what do you think the offers are? How on earth would you know what team is offering what opposed to another and whether or not other teams might also have interest at the draft?

I think it’s far more likely that if the Flames were to move Lindholm now (I’ll bet they won’t), you’re right, they probably get a first, but I strongly suspect it would be a late one. Wait till the draft, you could get a mid-round pick.

All that said, I think the most likely scenario is the Flames would prefer to extend Lindholm and they will be having those conversations this summer.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The beat them this season

Sure and the Flames lost to the Hawks and Columbus, so?

During the season, bad games happened

But it will be a waste of 8 days if they meet the Avalanches

Even Sutter knows this and there is no quick fix

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Sure and the Flames lost to the Hawks and Columbus, so?

During the season, bad games happened

But it will be a waste of 8 days if they meet the Avalanches

Even Sutter knows this and there is no quick fix

Should the Jets have blown it up at the end of last season?

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

The beat them this season

I remember the year flames beat them during the season and then got rolled on in the playoffs. The playoffs are a totally different beast and right now Flames are not beating anyone in a 7 game series.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Should the Jets have blown it up at the end of last season?

The Jets core were in their mid 20’s and intact. Their goalie was 28 not 33.
They can add and give it one more try
Different story.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ll never understand this “wait to summer” “wait to the draft” total nonsense.

It’s more likely you’ll get better value now, like right ####ing now when a team is staring a playoff race / berth in the face and see a high quality player like Lindholm available. This is the time a team will say “#### it, give them that extra pick / better prospect”.

You trade now you’re getting 1sts, 2nds, A prospects. You wait for draft you’re getting worse quality assets. This is basic asset management. Teams are desperate and want to win a cup not in the summer when they don’t know what they are next year yet. The fact these guys have another year on their deals makes them all the more valuable.

You need to blow it up / start making good deals yesterday. This season is done. Start trading.

The wait for summer is based on the premise that they aren’t trading core guys for futures because they aren’t rebuilding
So changes are more than likely player for player trades
And those deals happen in the off season
Unless you think that something will change in the next 10 days where all of a sudden the organization decides to rebuild
I don’t see it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The Jets core were in their mid 20’s and intact. Their goalie was 28 not 33.
Difference story.

Well, I guess it’s written in stone then. The Flames are royally screwed and have no redeeming qualities to suggest they can rebound next year whatsoever.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The wait for summer is based on the premise that they aren’t trading core guys for futures because they aren’t rebuilding
So changes are more than likely player for player trades
And those deals happen in the off season
Unless you think that something will change in the next 10 days where all of a sudden the organization decides to rebuild
I don’t see it.

Accurate.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Well, I guess it’s written in stone then. The Flames are royally screwed and have no redeeming qualities to suggest they can rebound next year whatsoever.

Rebound to what? A real contender with this same lineup? It’s not zero but not high neither

[bigrangy]

Gurianov would have looked good here I think

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Rebound to what? A real contender with this same lineup? It’s not zero but not high neither

Building a hockey team is not a binary thing; contender or rebuild, as hard as that may be for some to wrap their heads around.

The Flames have several assets of value and it’s not like they will come back next year with the exact lineup. I don’t have a crystal ball, and neither do you, so I’m not going to guess what that team will look like. But to suggest next year is a foregone outcome based on where they are now is a bit lazy, but go ahead and wallow in your negativity.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lebrun saying Sharks down to Devils and Vegas for Timo Miers.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ll never understand this “wait to summer” “wait to the draft” total nonsense.

It’s more likely you’ll get better value now, like right ####ing now when a team is staring a playoff race / berth in the face and see a high quality player like Lindholm available. This is the time a team will say “#### it, give them that extra pick / better prospect”.

You trade now you’re getting 1sts, 2nds, A prospects. You wait for draft you’re getting worse quality assets. This is basic asset management. Teams are desperate and want to win a cup not in the summer when they don’t know what they are next year yet. The fact these guys have another year on their deals makes them all the more valuable.

You need to blow it up / start making good deals yesterday. This season is done. Start trading.

There is an aspect of "wait to the summer" which makes sense and that's cap room opening up. Not all teams can take on contracts effectively this time of year. I wholeheartedly agree they should look to sell high starting now.