Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yawn.

The whataboutism is pathetic.

"Yeah but you guys love Postmedia so hah."

Who said anything about Post Media? Nobody.

Anything CBC does that isn't local or provincial news is garbage and should be culled. The last thing we need is taxpayers subsidizing TV shows and worthless news cycles. And since we're likely heading in the direction of CBC funding being cut, I find this conversation amusing.

Do you think every comment was a reply to you?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is the first time This Hour is 22 Minutes has parodied a Liberal. Defund the CBC!

It's not that they parodied a Liberal, it's the way in which they did it. Calling out Trudeaus narcissism, blackface, lack of depth....etc.

It's a complete 180 from the days of Rosie Barton basically soiling a chair in excitement not even 3 years ago interviewing the guy as the saviour of all things to date and ever in the history of the universe.

Anyone thinking this isn't a reaction to the inevitable is sorely mistaken. They are jumping on the drag Trudeau train for self preservation at this point.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by pylon

It's not that they parodied a Liberal, it's the way in which they did it. Calling out Trudeaus narcissism, blackface, lack of depth....etc.

It's a complete 180 from the days of Rosie Barton basically soiling a chair in excitement not even 3 years ago interviewing the guy as the saviour of all things to date and ever in the history of the universe.

Anyone thinking this isn't a reaction to the inevitable is sorely mistaken. They are jumping on the drag Trudeau train for self preservation at this point.

Please explain exactly how that will work, given Pierre's comments.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Please explain exactly how that will work, given Pierre's comments.

Pierre wants to defund the CBC, my theory on it is maybe if they start picking on Trudeau too they'll win some points with him when he comes into power. And the narrative at the CBC has been noticeably shifting over the last few months. With the ever growing threat of the Conservatives pulling off a super majority, defunding the CBC is not out of the realm of possibility.

It's really kind of pathetic on the CBC if you ask me. But when you are state funded media, which the CBC 100% is, you kinda have to kiss the ring of the people in control of the money funding you.

The CBC is a bloated, poorly run corporation that can't make money despite getting over a billion dollars in handouts every year. They are the perfect example of why you don't want government running businesses.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by pylon

Pierre wants to defund the CBC, my theory on it is maybe if they start picking on Trudeau too they'll win some points with him when he comes into power. And the narrative at the CBC has been noticeably shifting over the last few months. With the ever growing threat of the Conservatives pulling off a super majority, defunding the CBC is not out of the realm of possibility.

It's really kind of pathetic on the CBC if you ask me. But when you are state funded media, which the CBC 100% is, you kinda have to kiss the ring of the people in control of the money funding you.

The CBC is a bloated, poorly run corporation that can't make money despite getting over a billion dollars in handouts every year. They are the perfect example of why you don't want government running businesses.

You’re talking about 22 Minutes.

Please tell me you don’t understand what that program is, because it’s the dumbest possible jumping off point to make some overarching point about CBC if you do.

Like, this is either significantly awful media literacy on your part, or it’s a bit. Please tell me it’s a bit.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I was always under the impression the PMO had direct control over every 22 minutes sketch, so this is really shocking to my world view.

Personally, I can’t believe the CBC aka State Run Media Inc OK’d this depiction of Justin Trudeau on this comedy program which is definitely media and not like, a show that exists for the purposes of comedy and hasn’t missed an opportunity to make fun of Trudeau since he got in.

Next thing you know, they be taking cheap shots at Trudeau during Great Canadian Baking Show! They’ll be saying he hates Nanaimo Bars!

WHEN WILL IT END?

[Doctorfever]

Pepsi hanging out with Ryan Coke tonight?

/g

[Yamer]

As a person with a degree in Communications and Media Studies I absolutely love this conversation.

I got that degree by essentially reading academic articles and conducting primary research on media bias for 4 straight years. The last remaining kick I get out of it is hearing people bitch and moan about CBC's partisanship. What a hoot.

It's all a myth, plain and simple, concocted by people that don't want to pay for a public broadcaster. It's OK to hold that position. The fun part is watching people construct silly reasons to justify that position.

The CBC will never go against the Liberals, even when they are funded by an elected federal Conservative party. When they do it's because they are expecting to be funded by a federal Conservative party, even though the funding (which is NOT 100% public) isn't dependent on politics. Unless, of course, a populist comes along and starts farting out "Defund the CBC" as part of their platform because they have convinced the hoopleheads that the CBC are, somehow, the enemy.

People don't understand how fundamentally important a network like CBC is to Canadian culture and the arts. So many artists and content creators directly cite the CBC and public interest in the arts as their launching pads. HNIC, The Nature of Things, the Beachcombers, and Kids in the Hall are legendary cornerstones of Canadian identity. Little Mosque on the Prairie, Kim's Convenience, Anne of Green Gables, Heartland, and Murdoch Mysteries may not be your personal cup of tea, but are all internationally recognized and popular series putting Canadian art on the ####ing map.

Schitt's Creek practically swept an entire year of Emmys in the comedy category. Kim's Convenience launched Simu Liu's career. SCTV catapulted nearly the entire cast into Hollywood stardom.

Their news and journalist divisions are directly influenced by the BBC and are consistently lauded as the brightest and best of Canadian reporting. That is independent of regional and federal broadcasting: all media has constantly been recognized as the pinnacle of news reporting in Canada.

The CBC is neither more vulnerable nor beholden to any corporate or political partisanship than any other network on the air. The problem you have is that you're paying for it in your taxes. That's it, that's all. Stop trying to make it anymore than that, and stop trying to justify your position with poorly informed thinking.

[direwolf]

Outstanding post, Yamer. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.

Also, why are today's conservatives always so angry about everything all the time? Seriously, what an exhausting existence that must be. Maybe try going outside once in a while, go for a walk, listen to some music or a podcast, watch a movie, or just find a hobby that makes you happy. You'll live longer.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Outstanding post, Yamer. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.

Also, why are today's conservatives always so angry about everything all the time? Seriously, what an exhausting existence that must be. Maybe try going outside once in a while, go for a walk, listen to some music or a podcast, watch a movie, or just find a hobby that makes you happy. You'll live longer.

Today’s left wing are equally as angry lol. Both wings must be exhausting.i like the CBC because it’s a springboard for Canadian artists who would otherwise never have a chance to showcase their craft. It’s relevant.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Outstanding post, Yamer. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.

Also, why are today's conservatives always so angry about everything all the time? Seriously, what an exhausting existence that must be. Maybe try going outside once in a while, go for a walk, listen to some music or a podcast, watch a movie, or just find a hobby that makes you happy. You'll live longer.

I guess the simple answer is that anger is born from fear, and both happen to be two of the most primal and powerful responsive emotions humans have. They are incredibly valuable rhetorical tools.

Common sense small-c conservatives I've dealt with are entirely off-put by the tactics of politicians like Danielle Smith and Pierre Poilievre. Sometimes it results in waves we've seen on CP of those conservative-minded persons signing up for NDP membership, but far too often it's easier to be scared and angry and settle with capital-c Conservatives peddling this nonsense.

I tend to believe it's all in-line with any other fringe group of people that suddenly find a home in community: I've been wronged and feel helpless, and I feel accepted and valued here if I think this way. So I'll hate or be angry at Libtards, trans people, the formally educated, socialists, the liberal media, immigrants...whatever, and it's not entirely inclusive and I don't want to discount people feeling genuinely disenfranchised.

It's just so easy to pick a side and stick with it and never have to think for yourself again. Frankly, I wish I was that simple-minded far more often than I would like to admit.

And this is the most hippy-dippy I'm going to get, but then there is love: the only thing I've ever felt that defeats any of my anger, fear, and hate. We're not there yet, but maybe one day. I'm probably not going to be around for it but it's comforting to think about.

[Doctorfever]

All you need is love.

[curves2000]

I do think the CBC does skew more left than some may think but I do think they do an excellent job overall and are a vital part of Canada. They won't be defunded by the Conservatives if they win office in my opinion. This doesn't mean that some aspects of their mandate can't change. Since they are getting taxpayers money to the degree that they are, it would be wise if they didn't compete so heavily in some aspects from an advertising and revenue perspective. That money is better aligned going to other media outlets so they can continue to provide quality coverage, not getting axed to death by their corporate leaders. Canada needs significant media overhaul to the highest degree.

The CBC, like a lot of news organizations skews more Toronto/Ottawa/Central Canada centric cause that is where the HQ is and where a large part of their employee's live and work, it's natural but it needs to be better managed by everyone.

In my opinion, we should continue to fund the CBC to do things in regions of the country that don't have the exposure the private broadcasters would do. Small towns, remote areas, different parts of Canada etc. There is plenty of coverage of downtown Toronto from other broadcasters, we don't need more coverage there, we need more coverage in special reporting, investigative journalism, holding the people in power to account etc.

We really do need a media strategy that actually promotes media/news and more for the 2024 year. Bell Media's recent layoffs were massive and should not have been allowed to continue. We don't have a process in place. We are not helping the broadcasters where we could, are making it more difficult in some areas than it needs to be and then allowing them to do whatever they want when they do reach their previously announced conditions. It's madness

[GGG]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I do think the CBC does skew more left than some may think but I do think they do an excellent job overall and are a vital part of Canada. They won't be defunded by the Conservatives if they win office in my opinion. This doesn't mean that some aspects of their mandate can't change. Since they are getting taxpayers money to the degree that they are, it would be wise if they didn't compete so heavily in some aspects from an advertising and revenue perspective. That money is better aligned going to other media outlets so they can continue to provide quality coverage, not getting axed to death by their corporate leaders. Canada needs significant media overhaul to the highest degree.

The CBC, like a lot of news organizations skews more Toronto/Ottawa/Central Canada centric cause that is where the HQ is and where a large part of their employee's live and work, it's natural but it needs to be better managed by everyone.

In my opinion, we should continue to fund the CBC to do things in regions of the country that don't have the exposure the private broadcasters would do. Small towns, remote areas, different parts of Canada etc. There is plenty of coverage of downtown Toronto from other broadcasters, we don't need more coverage there, we need more coverage in special reporting, investigative journalism, holding the people in power to account etc.

We really do need a media strategy that actually promotes media/news and more for the 2024 year. Bell Media's recent layoffs were massive and should not have been allowed to continue. We don't have a process in place. We are not helping the broadcasters where we could, are making it more difficult in some areas than it needs to be and then allowing them to do whatever they want when they do reach their previously announced conditions. It's madness

Essentially you are asking for increased funding to the CBC. You are proposing increasing cost of news gathering, decreasing competing in areas that drive revenue and focusing on areas the private sector can’t economically support.

I fully agree with you but to do this properly and provide real oversight in things like the municipal politics and policing in smaller centers probably means doubling the CBC budget.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I do think the CBC does skew more left than some may think but I do think they do an excellent job overall and are a vital part of Canada. They won't be defunded by the Conservatives if they win office in my opinion. This doesn't mean that some aspects of their mandate can't change. Since they are getting taxpayers money to the degree that they are, it would be wise if they didn't compete so heavily in some aspects from an advertising and revenue perspective. That money is better aligned going to other media outlets so they can continue to provide quality coverage, not getting axed to death by their corporate leaders. Canada needs significant media overhaul to the highest degree.-snip-

Why would you delude yourself? Why wouldn't you take his word,s which he has been saying for year,s at face value?

One of Poilievre's first policy commitments was a promise to defund the CBC — a proposal that he says would save $1 billion. He has described the Crown corporation as a "billion-dollar propaganda arm" of the Liberal government.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...edia-1.7136583


This is why I have such disdain for voters like you. You blatantly ignore reality, hope something else will happen despite all facts pointing elsewhere, then go hide when they actually do what they said they would do(or telegraphed for ages before).

Last month, the Conservative Party posted a Valentine's Day message that mocked the CBC, the Toronto Star and the Canadian Press wire service and called on the prime minister to "stop buying off the media to gain himself favourable coverage." The post on X (formerly known as Twitter) linked to a "petition" that called on the government to "stop funding Trudeau's media allies with taxpayers' dollars."

....and then all Trudeau haters repeat this kind of trash, dismissing and devaluing the hard work of the only real journalists left in this country. We see it around here all the time. Posters believe and spread this nonsense, then scurry off to their own sources run by grifters to hand out money to hack "commentary" writers who are the ones that actually write propaganda, and then posters treat that as fact and enlightenment. This is exactly how we end up with Danielle Smith. And now we'll end up with Pierre, too, and all the good parts you like about CBC will vanish and you will be left in a daze wondering how it all happened.


Be. Better.

[CliffFletcher]

With all this love for the CBC, you’d think the audience share for its flagship news program would be better than the low single-digits. But the CBC is like women’s professional sports - a great many people champion the value of it. Just not enough to actually, you know, watch it.

The CBC isn’t in the pocket of the Liberal Party. But its editorial stance certainly isn’t representatives of the breadth of public opinion in Canada either. Comparisons to the BBC are risible. On contentious issues, the CBC takes an advocacy journalism approach: identify a victim, identify a villain, and frame the issues in an emotionally-charged and handwringing manner. That’s far less true of the BBC. Compare clips of the two organizations covering the same subjects - night and day in tone and framing.

CBC Radio still does some good stuff. Quirks and Quarks, Spark, the Debaters, Tapestry, White Coat Black Art. But their flagship current event programs - As it Happens and the Current - have become an embarrassment. If the York University students union took over editorial control, would anybody even notice?

CBC’s TV news is in worse shape. The National desperately changes format every year or two, trying to stem the collapse of its audience. Which can’t just be chalked up to the move away from broadcast TV - CBC’s news programs have half the audience share of CTVs programs. Even former CBC TV icons have remarked on the sad decline.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...i-go-for-news/

[Wormius]

That isn’t really an indictment on the CBC as it is on all network news journalism. At least that was my take from Mesley’s article.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why would you delude yourself? Why wouldn't you take his word,s which he has been saying for year,s at face value?



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...edia-1.7136583


This is why I have such disdain for voters like you. You blatantly ignore reality, hope something else will happen despite all facts pointing elsewhere, then go hide when they actually do what they said they would do(or telegraphed for ages before).





....and then all Trudeau haters repeat this kind of trash, dismissing and devaluing the hard work of the only real journalists left in this country. We see it around here all the time. Posters believe and spread this nonsense, then scurry off to their own sources run by grifters to hand out money to hack "commentary" writers who are the ones that actually write propaganda, and then posters treat that as fact and enlightenment. This is exactly how we end up with Danielle Smith. And now we'll end up with Pierre, too, and all the good parts you like about CBC will vanish and you will be left in a daze wondering how it all happened.


Be. Better.

Damn, I didn't know the news industry was so ####ty in Canada and that the only real journalists are found at CBC, Toronto Star and Canadian Press.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wormius

That isn’t really an indictment on the CBC as it is on all network news journalism. At least that was my take from Mesley’s article.

It is mainly an indictment of broadcast news today. But it’s worth considering why the CBC News ratings have fallen faster and steeper than CTV News.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

With all this love for the CBC, you’d think the audience share for its flagship news program would be better than the low single-digits. But the CBC is like women’s professional sports - a great many people champion the value of it. Just not enough to actually, you know, watch it.

I dont like the CBC.

Not because I think its a shill for the Liberals, I don't believe thats accurate.

But just because its just not very good. Its big, bloated, self-important, self-indulgent, expensive and just overall I dont think good value for money.

I also fervently believe in the usefulness and value of having a National Public Broadcasting Corporation. I just dont think the CBC is very good at meeting the goals it should be aspiring to.

So no, I dont like the CBC. Largely because I just dont they're very good. So I dont read, listen or watch.

I dont support de-funding it or eliminating it, but I would support some serious reforms.