I don't think Lundell is a great value. He put up similar number to Dube in the NHL. He did that in Florida, and their system generates a lot more offense than CGY.
Every player we traded with FLA recently seemed to do better offensively in FLA: Bennett, Tkachuk, Huberdaeu, Weegar.
Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, like Sharangovich, I just don't think he is going to have much higher production here.
He is the same age/draft as Zary though. I think there is more runway he just turned 22 in October
I’d find it pretty funny if we get Lundell. Guy actively lost his job to Sam Bennett, so now we go after him?
…how are we getting better around here?
Because the other direction is a 15-25 overall draft pick that we’d hope could develope in 4 years to what Lundell is right now. That has value for a team looking to retool. And players can break out in different settings or a change of scenery. Look what Bennett did once he got to Florida.
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Because the other direction is a 15-25 overall draft pick that we’d hope could develope in 4 years to what Lundell is right now. That has value for a team looking to retool. And players can break out in different settings or a change of scenery. Look what Bennett did once he got to Florida.
I’d sooner take the pick, honestly. Put the trust into Flames drafted players.
Yeah, you may get a Lundell. You may get something worse. You may also get something better. I’d sooner see a pick in return, and the Flames take a bigger swing in the draft.
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I’d sooner take the pick, honestly. Put the trust into Flames drafted players.
Yeah, you may get a Lundell. You may get something worse. You may also get something better. I’d sooner see a pick in return, and the Flames take a bigger swing in the draft.
I take the bird in hand vs 2 in the bush. You may have a good deep draft or a poor shallow one. Lundell is in the right age range and that’s the kind of target we should have. Talented young players buried in their current organizations that are ready to pop given the chance.
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3 minor trades have happened since the start of the season. Just crazy these days what the cap world does to player movement. As a small market fan I understand how important the cap was for us but I still miss trades.
This year is especially bad, but trade activity has been trending down for years, as the cap system matures and more and more players secure NTCs. I don’t think fans have come to terms with how difficult and rare trades are in today’s NHL. Other than a few deals at the trade deadline and then another flurry at the draft, trades are barely a thing in the NHL anymore.
The sports media know this. But they also know that fans will still eat it up when they chum the water with rumours. Look at the reaction to the comments by Zadorov’s agent. 10 or 15 years ago a depth d-man going onto the market would barely make the back page of the sports section in the team’s local city. In 2023 it caused a media frenzy around the league.
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I take the bird in hand vs 2 in the bush. You may have a good deep draft or a poor shallow one. Lundell is in the right age range and that’s the kind of target we should have. Talented young players buried in their current organizations that are ready to pop given the chance.
I largely disagree. A signed Lindholm is your biggest trade asset and a key one at that for turning the franchise around. A lot depends on it. Surely he’s in the right age range iand all but you’re replacing one of the better two way point producing players in the league, albeit aging, with something. That something has to have significant upside. If it doesn’t, you’re a farm to other teams by developing talent and giving it away. To me a signed Lindholm is every bit worth more than the Jeannot deal was last year. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. And that was a great draft year. I’d even go so far to say 1st, two 2nds, 3rd. That first should have significant upside for whoever they draft.
I’d sooner take the pick, honestly. Put the trust into Flames drafted players.
Yeah, you may get a Lundell. You may get something worse. You may also get something better. I’d sooner see a pick in return, and the Flames take a bigger swing in the draft.
I don’t know. The chance to hit the jackpot 15-25 is low
Lundell is legit . He is a Lindholm before Lindholm got traded to the Flames
I largely disagree. A signed Lindholm is your biggest trade asset and a key one at that for turning the franchise around. A lot depends on it. Surely he’s in the right age range iand all but you’re replacing one of the better two way point producing players in the league, albeit aging, with something. That something has to have significant upside. If it doesn’t, you’re a farm to other teams by developing talent and giving it away. To me a signed Lindholm is every bit worth more than the Jeannot deal was last year. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. And that was a great draft year. I’d even go so far to say 1st, two 2nds, 3rd. That first should have significant upside for whoever they draft.
I don’t think you are factoring in the cap implications of those deals.
Lindholm is clearly the better player of Jeannot, but in your scenario likely needs a 8 year contract at $9MM +, so that likely means he won’t bring 4 draft picks. Unless the flames take on a clear cap dump for multiple years.
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I don’t think you are factoring in the cap implications of those deals.
Lindholm is clearly the better player of Jeannot, but in your scenario likely needs a 8 year contract at $9MM +, so that likely means he won’t bring 4 draft picks. Unless the flames take on a clear cap dump for multiple years.
True. I’m off the mark there. Though I’m not sure he’ll get that high a contract there your point remains valid. I just think we have to hit a home run with our most productive asset.
True. I’m off the mark there. Though I’m not sure he’ll get that high a contract there your point remains valid. I just think we have to hit a home run with our most productive asset.
If Lindholm doesn’t get what he wants , he’ll simply goes to UFA.
He doesn’t have to sign as part of the trade.
Especially at the trade deadline when UFA is a few months away.
Don’t know if this has been posted yet but Seravalli says the Flames are open to deal but other teams aren’t engaging seriously
They’re trying to get the first-year GM to make a mistake. I think he will hold firm. If they want to be serious they can be serious but we’re not waiting for a garbage offer to pounce on.
I’d find it pretty funny if we get Lundell. Guy actively lost his job to Sam Bennett, so now we go after him?
I’m not a big Lundell fan.
He didn't really lose his job to Sam Bennett...he wasn't even on the Panthers yet when they traded for Bennett and was a rookie in Bennett's first full season with the Panthers.
I guess it's fair to question just how high his upside is....but he only just turned 22 at the start of this season and has put up 85 points in 156 NHL games.
For comparison he's actually 8 days younger than Connor Zary. No issue in making that bet that there is more to that player at all.
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If Lindholm doesn’t get what he wants , he’ll simply goes to UFA.
He doesn’t have to sign as part of the trade.
Especially at the trade deadline when UFA is a few months away.
That is the thing about Lindholm he had no trade protection so the Flames can send him to the highest bidder. I am sure he would t mind securing his future vs moving twice in a short period of time considering he has a young family. The team getting him also can do the 8 year deal if he goes UFA he is looking at 7 so almost certainly leaving money on the table waiting for free agency.
Don’t know if this has been posted yet but Seravalli says the Flames are open to deal but other teams aren’t engaging seriously
Unsurprising, it’s too early. Imagine taking a big swing to load up for the playoffs now, and then losing a superstar or goalie to injury and falling short… it’s way too early for playoff bound teams to bolster their rosters.
