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valo403 · 10-07-2009, 10:31 AM

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I think you are taking me out of context....all three are very outspoken guys and if treated the wrong way, COULD blow up and turn into a cancer. Although those are my opinions, becuase all three are very emotionally driven guys.

Sure they're outspoken guys, but none of them are anywhere close to the type of guy that Edwards seems to have been in the locker room. Handling guys who are intense because of a massive desire to win is a lot different than handling a guy who seems to have a Braylon first attitude. Lewis, Scott and Suggs have never been accused of putting their personal gains before the team, that seems to be par for the course with Edwards.

Bobblehead · 10-07-2009, 10:32 AM

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The new deal is for six years, something the 49ers insisted upon due to the time Crabtree already has missed. But Crabtree can make it into a five-year deal with on-field incentives. Playing time early in his career will be key. I'm told that Crabtree's guaranteed money is "around" $18 million. The player picked directly ahead of him, Green Bay's B.J. Raji, has $17.7 million guaranteed. Of course, Raji's deal is for five years, Crabtree's is for six.

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Hammer not only brought the two sides together in the Crabtree standoff, he was a key figure during yesterday's negotiations. You can't make this stuff up, folks ...

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...%20and%20Q%26A

transplant99 · 10-07-2009, 10:40 AM

Herm Edwards said it best a while ago on ESPN...is Braylon Edwards motivated by playing football, or is he motivated by what playing football provides him.

If its the former, this could be a slam dunk steal by the Jets, if not, he will be gone at the end of the year. Edwards problem has been focus, and that lends itself to being uhappy where he is at.....either the city, team, or with himself.

The Browns fans can spin this however they like, but trading away any kind of talent is not a good thing for them or their team....they have a severe lack of it as is.

valo403 · 10-07-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Herm Edwards said it best a while ago on ESPN...is Braylon Edwards motivated by playing football, or is he motivated by what playing football provides him.

If its the former, this could be a slam dunk steal by the Jets, if not, he will be gone at the end of the year. Edwards problem has been focus, and that lends itself to being uhappy where he is at.....either the city, team, or with himself.

The Browns fans can spin this however they like, but trading away any kind of talent is not a good thing for them or their team....they have a severe lack of it as is.

I'm not a Browns fan but Edwards wasn't exactly using his talent, so getting rid of him isn't that big of a loss. The Browns were going to suck either way, and there was little chance of him resigning at the end of the year, this at least gets them a return and they really aren't going to lose any extra games over this.

FlamingLonghorn · 10-07-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Sure they're outspoken guys, but none of them are anywhere close to the type of guy that Edwards seems to have been in the locker room. Handling guys who are intense because of a massive desire to win is a lot different than handling a guy who seems to have a Braylon first attitude. Lewis, Scott and Suggs have never been accused of putting their personal gains before the team, that seems to be par for the course with Edwards.

As a Jets fan I don't see Ryan as the guy to straighten him out, but there are two guys on the Jets that will straighten him out. The aforementioned Bart Scott and Kris Jenkins. No way those 2 guys are going to let Edwards act the fool in their locker room.

Clever_Iggy · 10-07-2009, 12:29 PM

Bobble - how long do you think it takes Crabtree to get up to speed? Usually rookie WR struggle, I can't see it being much different for a rookie WR that is 8+ weeks behind schedule.

Bobblehead · 10-07-2009, 12:47 PM

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Bobble - how long do you think it takes Crabtree to get up to speed? Usually rookie WR struggle, I can't see it being much different for a rookie WR that is 8+ weeks behind schedule.

They will need to release someone of the roster first - best bet there is Michael Spurlock.

Crabtree has been working out and has had people throwing to him but he will need to learn all the terminology and he hasn't even had a single snap yet since he was injured during the OTAs.

This week is against the Falcons, then there is a bye, so I would be he will have a few packages with him involved the week after the bye (Houston) and then just keep adding plays.

The Niners have a bit of a logjam at WR - Isaac Bruce will always be there and Josh Morgan has big potential. Brandon Jones is going to get back from injury in the next game or two and he was the off-season prize free agent signing. Jason Hill is a player who the Niners seem to love, Arnaz Battle is still hanging around.

So I think it will be a while before Crabtree actually plays enough to contribute. He will get into games as he learns the packages.

By this point I think most feel it will be next season before he contributes, but if he learns and impresses (and a lot of his incentives depend upon how fast he contributes) he may start to be a factor in the final quarter.

Edit: Singletary says Crabtree will not suit up this weekend, and the 49ers are requesting a 2 week roster exemption for Crabtree. That way they can keep their current lineup for the next game and don't need to cut anyone until after the bye.

moon · 10-07-2009, 01:18 PM

Braylon could continue to be a cancer on the Jets but I think it is easier to be a cancer/diva on the team that drafted you 3rd overall and is losing with little talent. When you go to a successful team and are no longer the man we have seen guys in all sports get a little humility and fit in better.

Not sure whether this will happen with Edwards but it certainly wouldn't be the first time a change of scenery changed a guys attitude.

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Originally Posted by transplant99

The Browns fans can spin this however they like, but trading away any kind of talent is not a good thing for them or their team....they have a severe lack of it as is.

The Browns are going to be terrible with or without Edwards. While it sucks to lose it talent it may be best in the long run (and with the massive rebuild they will have to do) to get rid of a malcontent and start to change the attitude of the team. Realistically I don't think losing Edwards adds or subtracts wins from the team this year or next so might as well try to fix the locker room.

Montana Moe · 10-07-2009, 01:37 PM

Sanchez fined $5k for low block on Vilma:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4540076

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Sanchez said Wednesday that he called Vilma on Tuesday and apologized.
"I said, 'Hey, dude, I don't know what I was doing," Sanchez said. He said the former Jets linebacker told him, "No problem at all. I understand."

A pittance, but at least its something. I wonder what the fine would have been had it been Vilma diving at Sanchez's knees?

valo403 · 10-07-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Sanchez fined $5k for low block on Vilma:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4540076

A pittance, but at least its something. I wonder what the fine would have been had it been Vilma diving at Sanchez's knees?

Gotta give Sanchez respect for apologizing at least. It was a cheap play, but I don't imagine Sanchez had much of an idea what to do when he saw a mass of LB coming at him full speed.

You're right though, if the roles are reversed Vilma is sitting a game at least.

Bobblehead · 10-07-2009, 03:28 PM

Are the Raiders going to need to look for a new head coach soon?

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But a two-month investigation into the incident by the Napa Police Department turned up substantial evidence of assault and bodily injury sustained by Hanson (including medical records proving serious injury), plus corroborating witness statements from other coaches present during the altercation.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/07/t...s/?eref=si_nfl

Will Goodell step in and issue a suspension or will he let the courts decide what to do first? Ugly situation.

valo403 · 10-07-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

They will need to release someone of the roster first - best bet there is Michael Spurlock.

Crabtree has been working out and has had people throwing to him but he will need to learn all the terminology and he hasn't even had a single snap yet since he was injured during the OTAs.

This week is against the Falcons, then there is a bye, so I would be he will have a few packages with him involved the week after the bye (Houston) and then just keep adding plays.

The Niners have a bit of a logjam at WR - Isaac Bruce will always be there and Josh Morgan has big potential. Brandon Jones is going to get back from injury in the next game or two and he was the off-season prize free agent signing. Jason Hill is a player who the Niners seem to love, Arnaz Battle is still hanging around.

So I think it will be a while before Crabtree actually plays enough to contribute. He will get into games as he learns the packages.

By this point I think most feel it will be next season before he contributes, but if he learns and impresses (and a lot of his incentives depend upon how fast he contributes) he may start to be a factor in the final quarter.

Edit: Singletary says Crabtree will not suit up this weekend, and the 49ers are requesting a 2 week roster exemption for Crabtree. That way they can keep their current lineup for the next game and don't need to cut anyone until after the bye.

The 49ers released Dobson Collins from the practice roster a couple of days ago. It doesn't open up anything on the active roster, but it does give them room to work at the position at least.

Bobblehead · 10-07-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

The 49ers released Dobson Collins from the practice roster a couple of days ago. It doesn't open up anything on the active roster, but it does give them room to work at the position at least.

Yeah, but other than Crabtree I don't think and of the other WRs on the roster are practice roster eligible.

The 2 week exemption gives a bit of time, I'm excited to see what he brings to the position.

But I'm not buying a Crabtree jersey quite yet.

At least not until I ante up for a #52 first.

burn_baby_burn · 10-07-2009, 04:06 PM

Just skimmed through 10+ pages and was a little surprised at the negative talk about Jared Allan. When he knew that he was going to be suspended for the start of the 2007 season he quit drinking. He led the NFL in sacks despite only playing 14 games in 2007 and hasn't looked back since. Moon can hate on him for for his DUI's. But to claim that he was a cancer in the Chiefs locker room is complete BS. He was extremely popular with the coaches, players, and fans in KC. His only beef was with Carl Peterson.

Part of the reason Peterson was reluctant to sign him was because he had been burned by CB Eric Warfield a few years earlier. Warfield had had some problems with substance abuse. Peterson gave him a fat contract and Warfield fell off the wagon and had to undergo house arrest as well as a suspension by the NFL. After that Peterson was gunshy about offering big money to another player that he felt was at risk. So Peterson refused to give Allen a contract extension before the 2007 season and the rest is history. Now Jared Allen is one of the greatest DE in the NFL and the Chiefs are the worst team in the league dying for a player like Jared Allen. Makes me sad.

burn_baby_burn · 10-07-2009, 04:19 PM

Jared Allen's big game on Monday night is really making Chiefs fans and media feel sorry for themselves.

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1027

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Still. I remember the Chiefs parading around Arrowhead Stadium, talking about how they'd make that deal 100 times out of 100. A first-rounder and two third-rounders? That led to a draft that, at the time, appeared outstanding but has lost almost all of its luster.

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I remember thinking when the Chiefs traded Allen: Even if those draft picks maximize their potential, a gamble in itself, then there's a chance they still will never be the game-breaker that Allen was becoming. Even if one of them justifies those draft slots and the trade, then you've broken even and nothing more.
Now that we continue to get distance from that trade and watch those three draft picks blossom into whatever they will become, it is becoming clear that there will be no breaking even in the Chiefs' future.
The Chiefs keep drafting, and defensive players keep trying to become what Allen is. It makes you see how far away the Chiefs are from contending in the AFC, and it lets you know that they'd do just about anything for a player like Allen right now. If only the Chiefs could find a player like that, you'd bet that they'd never let him go.
Then you remember that they already did.

mykalberta · 10-07-2009, 04:20 PM

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I'm looking at the 2 games a bit differently, but hoping for 1-1 as well. The New England game is gravy. If they can win that, great. If they don't, I don't care. They have to beat San Diego in San Diego. Must win if they want to be legitimized around the NFL.

They need to extend Marshall sooner rather than later.

I know what you are saying but beating NE at home would be huge. Losing to SD in SD is acceptable if its close.

For me 1-1 no matter the win is legit. NE just embarased Atlanta and beat Baltimore (one of the best teams in the AFC looks like).

As for Marshall, I have the crazy idea of trading Marshall for a signed Crabtree and a pick.
I know its crazy but I really like Crabtree sans all this contract stuff in SF. If I was him I would be pissed that Heywood Bey got picked ahead of me too - maybe not enough to give up those millions though.

moon · 10-07-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Just skimmed through 10+ pages and was a little surprised at the negative talk about Jared Allan. When he knew that he was going to be suspended for the start of the 2007 season he quit drinking. He led the NFL in sacks despite only playing 14 games in 2007 and hasn't looked back since. Moon can hate on him for for his DUI's. But to claim that he was a cancer in the Chiefs locker room is complete BS.

I didn't claim that he was a cancer.

I said he had off field issues.

burn_baby_burn · 10-07-2009, 04:27 PM

I wonder how big of an impact Crabtree will have. They were talking about him on 124, they said he hasn't put pads on for a while. Add that to the fact that he is facing corners that run a 4.4 and bench press 400lbs. We will see how he adjusts.

burn_baby_burn · 10-07-2009, 04:35 PM

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I don't like the garbage he pulls on the field and thought he was a bad influence on a KC team that didn't need any more trouble considering their record.

So I was wrong, you didn't actually use the word cancer. I have to disagree with your statement above though. If anything he was a great influence on the Chiefs. Carl Peterson chose a woman beater who in his defense, was smart enough not to drive after getting bombed at Club Blonde, over Jared Allen. Other than the DUI's, Jared Allen has done nothing wrong. He cleaned up his act and has become one of the premiere players in the NFL.

moon · 10-07-2009, 04:45 PM

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So I was wrong, you didn't actually use the word cancer. I have to disagree with your statement above though. If anything he was a great influence on the Chiefs. Carl Peterson chose a woman beater who in his defense, was smart enough not to drive after getting bombed at Club Blonde, over Jared Allen. Other than the DUI's, Jared Allen has done nothing wrong. He cleaned up his act and has become one of the premiere players in the NFL.

You know a lot more about it than I do and I certainly trust your knowledge on the Chiefs over mine.

I said I thought he was a bad influence based on the fact that dudes getting into that kind of trouble often bring other teammates out with them and it can cause rifts in the clubhouse. If he wasn't that way fine.

With my comment about KC getting rid of him it was similar to my thoughts on the Browns and Edwards in that sometimes these terrible teams have to get rid of talented guys if they are affecting the team negatively in other areas (obviously not the case with Allen in KC as you say) because there needs to be an attitude change on these teams and really the talented player isn't doing much in terms of adding wins to the team.