01-31-2025, 10:36 AM
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#1101
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Random thought: I wonder if Philly was after Posp and settle for Pelletier.
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Hmmmm - I think Pelletier might be a better long term bet than Pospisil though.
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01-31-2025, 10:37 AM
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#1102
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Where was Frost playing in Philly's lineup?
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01-31-2025, 10:38 AM
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#1103
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Mainly just opportunity cost. They've essentially used up 5M+whatever they sign Frost for on this, when it could be used elsewhere to acquire a first, prospects, etc. for taking on bad expiring deals. Cap space is a valuable asset, that's a big part of what they gave up here given the term Farabee is on. I don't think he's very good, despite the optimism about this from some corners. I am higher on Frost from the times I've watched Philly.
I don't think it's a bad trade, I just think it's a high risk high reward trade, which is a fine strategy IMO.
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Where is the High risk?
They were the 3rd lowest payroll before, and they still are.
They have another 2nd round pick from Colorado that’s right in the same zone as their own selection.
The NHLPA just released estimates saying the cap will be $113M in 2028.
They have to sign someone to get to the floor - they’re going with players in their mid-20s, one of whom is a bonafide natural NHL centre, the other a 2x 20 goal scorer coming off his first 50 point season, and who has been a lock for 35-40 his entire career.
All for a 2nd round pick and two players who have had the least to do with the team’s success all season.
It’s larceny of the highest order.
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01-31-2025, 10:39 AM
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#1104
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Mainly just opportunity cost. They've essentially used up 5M+whatever they sign Frost for on this, when it could be used elsewhere to acquire a first, prospects, etc. for taking on bad expiring deals. Cap space is a valuable asset, that's a big part of what they gave up here given the term Farabee is on. I don't think he's very good, despite the optimism about this from some corners. I am higher on Frost from the times I've watched Philly.
I don't think it's a bad trade, I just think it's a high risk high reward trade, which is a fine strategy IMO.
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With the way the cap is rising, and the expectation that some teams will have internal caps, cap space now has little value with respect to taking on contracts.
However, cap space always has value, with respect to getting more players to improve your team. That's what Conroy should be doing with it. Oh wait...
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01-31-2025, 10:40 AM
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#1105
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Frost for Kuzmenko + 2nd is a huge win
Farabee for Pelletier + 7th is a win
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It looks good on paper for sure, and I am hoping these guys pop a little bit (or even a lot) with a change of scenery.
Farabee had 22 goals and 50 points last year as a 23 year old. He has room to grow IMO
Last edited by Roof-Daddy; 01-31-2025 at 10:45 AM.
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01-31-2025, 10:41 AM
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#1106
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Seems like the cap-constrained Flyers had buyer's remorse with Farabee's contract and Conroy took advantage of that. Might take off any pressure Farabee felt to produce, as a result.
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01-31-2025, 10:43 AM
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#1107
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by memphusk
Where was Frost playing in Philly's lineup?
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2nd C and Farabee was his 2nd line LW. That was the line up for the Philly game.
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01-31-2025, 10:44 AM
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#1108
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
It looks good on paper for sure, and I am hoping these guys pop a little bit (or even a lot) with a change of scenery.
Farabee had 22 goals and 500 points last year as a 23 year old. He has room to grow IMO
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Wow. He's better than McMuffin and Crosby put together!
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01-31-2025, 10:46 AM
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#1109
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If Calgary could half that production at 250 points it could be a win.
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01-31-2025, 10:46 AM
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#1110
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by dammage79
2nd C and Farabee was his 2nd line LW. That was the line up for the Philly game.
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and PP1 apparently? He has 5th most PP TOI.
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01-31-2025, 10:47 AM
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#1111
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Dreger was saying the Flyers had Frosts next contract pegged around 4m.
I suspect with the cap rising a long term deal for Frost with CGY is likely going to start with a 5.
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01-31-2025, 10:50 AM
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#1112
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Bonded
I don’t really see how it is a C+ unless it is looked at through the lens that the Flames should be rebuilding. They turned a guy who was not in the long terms plans and a player who hadn’t established themselves yet. Pure trade value wise it is killer and it’s one of those trades that would have been laughed at if proposed by fans.
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Eh, I dunno... I've never been a big admirer of Frost or Farabee, I think they're good hockey players but nothing to write home about (which is basically what I would say about the guys we gave up... Pelts being a sentimental favorite aside). It makes the offseason smoother thou and give the line-up better balance so I guess I'd give the Trade a "B" grade for now.
I am happy that we're adding a bonafide Center thou. Team did need that.
Last edited by Parallex; 01-31-2025 at 10:52 AM.
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01-31-2025, 10:51 AM
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#1113
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by memphusk
If Calgary could half that production at 250 points it could be a win.
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But it has to happen right now to make sense!
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01-31-2025, 10:56 AM
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#1114
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I like that they gave Kuzmenko a chance to stick in the NHL for next year. He wasn't going to get a contract here, and may have struggled to find work elsewhere. This gives him his best chance to find chemistry with Michkov as his linemate. That may not have been a trade factor, but good on Conroy for giving him that opportunity
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01-31-2025, 10:59 AM
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#1115
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A week ago, anyone proposing this trade on this forum would have been eviscerated.
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01-31-2025, 11:02 AM
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#1116
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First Line Centre
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Very happy with the trade and Conroy did what he had to do. All the best to Kuzmenko and Pelltier. They seemed like character guys that were liked in the room. Hopefully the new guys have a seamless integration as the team feels very tight this year. Excited to see what they bring.
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01-31-2025, 11:07 AM
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#1117
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Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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This made the Flames better for sure, but doesn't move the needle to make them more than a bubble team.
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01-31-2025, 11:10 AM
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#1118
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Does anyone have a read on what the Oilers' and Canucks' fan base are saying about this trade? Ultra salty or just regular salty?
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01-31-2025, 11:10 AM
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#1119
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D as in David
A week ago, anyone proposing this trade on this forum would have been eviscerated.
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Maybe the learning here is that we should be less harsh on trade proposals lol
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01-31-2025, 11:10 AM
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#1120
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
This made the Flames better for sure, but doesn't move the needle to make them more than a bubble team.
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As Conroy said yesterday, it was an upgrade he did, in part, because the roster "deserved it and earned it" with regards to a playoff push.
No way he's done before the deadline in 12 games (5 before break, 12 after) unless the team and results fall off a cliff.
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