Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[genetic_phreek]

An interesting thing was there were two communications that came out.
1. Players that denied being a part of it and will cooperate with investigations and no further comments.
2. Players that said they will cooperate with investigations and have no further comments.

Group 2 most likely the ones being investigated.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Buff

Based on the link that Jiri provided. Three players haven't issued a statement and two players have only said they cooperated and/or will cooperate with the investigation. All the rest said some form of no wrong doing. Even at that you still can't pick out the five players who could be facing charges because someone could think that they didn't do anything wrong.

So any names bandied about are most likely just guesses.

Sounds like Dube will be one of them based on what we've seen in terms of responses.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sounds like Dube will be one of them based on what we've seen in terms of responses.

I've thought the same.

There has been speculation that the parties involved weren't all necessarily part of the WJ team, but rather additional CHL players. Formenton as ring leader makes sense in this regard, having played in London. Would make sense that this was Formenton and a few of his OHL teammates involved as well.

[Goriders]

To do something like what they did I would assume the group of players was relatively familiar with each other and not just random players.

I think the last statement about OHL ties makes sense.

The Ottawa situation with Formenton certainly points towards his involvement. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sounds like Dube will be one of them based on what we've seen in terms of responses.

I don't think Dube is one of the 5.

[Goriders]

Also wondering why the police decided not to press charges the first time round. But seemingly due to political pressure or public exposure seem to be ready to charge people this time.

The article on TSN this morning has a very good description of what happened. Seems like there was enough evidence to go ahead with charges. Unless the argument around consent was the reason.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Also wondering why the police decided not to press charges the first time round. But seemingly due to political pressure or public exposure seem to be ready to charge people this time.

The article on TSN this morning has a very good description of what happened. Seems like there was enough evidence to go ahead with charges. Unless the argument around consent was the reason.

That or someone folded and gave some testimony that directly implicates people. Whoever the older guy who gave the girl alcohol and told her to take care of the players should also go to jail. That is disgusting

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

To do something like what they did I would assume the group of players was relatively familiar with each other and not just random players.

I think the last statement about OHL ties makes sense.

The Ottawa situation with Formenton certainly points towards his involvement. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

It does, though a lot of the iffy “did not participate in wrongdoing” type statements were from WHLers. Including Dube.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That or someone folded and gave some testimony that directly implicates people. Whoever the older guy who gave the girl alcohol and told her to take care of the players should also go to jail. That is disgusting

It is alarming that was his job.

[TheIronMaiden]

The grey area is that all the players knew, many knew while it was happening and had a chance to join in, or were in the room and left without saying anything.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The grey area is that all the players knew, many knew while it was happening and had a chance to join in, or were in the room and left without saying anything.

Once the complaint was made to police, someone immediately told Hockey Canada who called Player 1 to put pressure on the girl to drop the charges.

Who informed Hockey Canada? Who from Hockey Canada called the player?

Are these people part of Hockey Canada, enjoying the World Junior party as we speak?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Also wondering why the police decided not to press charges the first time round. But seemingly due to political pressure or public exposure seem to be ready to charge people this time.

The article on TSN this morning has a very good description of what happened. Seems like there was enough evidence to go ahead with charges. Unless the argument around consent was the reason.

Isn't that what Courts are for? Not cops.

Cops determine if charges "seem" appropriate and make a recommendation to the Crown. The Crown evaluates same and either proceeds or doesn't. Courts determine if a crime was or was not committed, giving weight to ALL the evidence available and the credibility of those testifying.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Isn't that what Courts are for? Not cops.

Cops determine if charges "seem" appropriate and make a recommendation to the Crown. The Crown evaluates same and either proceeds or doesn't. Courts determine if a crime was or was not committed, giving weight to ALL the evidence available and the credibility of those testifying.

Cops (and the fire department) give their unsolicited and incorrect opinions all the time. It should be a chargeable offence.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Isn't that what Courts are for? Not cops.

Cops determine if charges "seem" appropriate and make a recommendation to the Crown. The Crown evaluates same and either proceeds or doesn't. Courts determine if a crime was or was not committed, giving weight to ALL the evidence available and the credibility of those testifying.

I’m not sure. That’s why I brought it up. I don’t know if officers talk to prosecutors ahead of time and get told not to waste time as there’s no chance of getting a guilty verdict. Not sure why else they wouldn’t have pursued charges.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Isn't that what Courts are for? Not cops.

Cops determine if charges "seem" appropriate and make a recommendation to the Crown. The Crown evaluates same and either proceeds or doesn't. Courts determine if a crime was or was not committed, giving weight to ALL the evidence available and the credibility of those testifying.

That's all true. The issue is the Crown typically only gets what the cops put in a report. That obviously impacts the decision. And the Crown doesn't usually go ahead on "well, we can give it a try". People get convicted most of the time because the Crown likes as close to a sure thing as possible.

[sonq]

Man I hope Dube wasn't involved in this..

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by sonq

Man I hope Dube wasn't involved in this..

yeah I'm concerned about the same thing.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

It is alarming that was his job.

That might be one of the reasons Hockey Canada tried to settle this on the sly quietly in the first place.

Also probably a reason why it's perfectly a natural reaction for people to not want to watch anything to do with this year's tournament. If the players themselves involved are still playing and earning NHL paychecks, how many shady characters behind the scenes who help these guys get away with stuff like this or look the other way are still employed by Hockey Canada and on the job this year?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's all true. The issue is the Crown typically only gets what the cops put in a report. That obviously impacts the decision. And the Crown doesn't usually go ahead on "well, we can give it a try". People get convicted most of the time because the Crown likes as close to a sure thing as possible.

My quick google search showed about a 60 % conviction rate, which has been trending down and is now closer to 50%.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

My quick google search showed about a 60 % conviction rate, which has been trending down and is now closer to 50%.

That’s because they are including stayed and withdrawn charges (so where prosecutors decided not to proceed, or where they accept alternative measures). Eliminate those and leave ones where there is a trial or guilty plea and you are close to 90% guilty verdicts.