2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Maybe Honzek does hit a wall when the regular season starts and has to get sent down. Maybe he doesn't. That isn't the point.

The point is that preseason performances have to mean something. He hasn't just played well enough to make the team; he's been the Flames' best forward, bar none. That has to mean something.

Otherwise, what's the point?

Preseason games actually mean very little. Especially early on when the team's regulars aren't playing much. Except for a few players on the bubble perhaps, and Honzek is on no bubble.

The point for players like Honzek is to make an impression on Calgary management. He has certainly done that.

If his good play continues in the minors, he'll get his chance.

[bluejays]

I've seen limited Honzek, but in limited views he hasn't looked impressive speed wise. Am I incorrect in that assumption?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Preseason games actually mean very little. Especially early on when the team's regulars aren't playing much. Except for a few players on the bubble perhaps, and Honzek is on no bubble.

The point for players like Honzek is to make an impression on Calgary management. He has certainly done that.

If his good play continues in the minors, he'll get his chance.

I think the preseason means less now than it ever has.

Condensed camp with mostly vet home teams playing youth injected road teams on a nightly basis.

Zero flow. Zero chemistry. Zero representation of what we will see come the regular season.

You want to see young guys improve, and we've seen that, but I'd be careful to over judge the impact of the slate of preseason games when making asset management decisions.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I have zero desire for the Flames to re-sign Kuzmenko. Flip him for some picks and move on. The Flames already have too much salary tied up in older players and don't need to add an aging offensive only player onto the pile.

Sounds like you aren't a season ticket holder. Why would anyone want to go to our games if we trade off all the talent?

I mean sure in the young gun days we would see 1-3 fights a game to keep us entertained. We might see 1 fight every 10 games now...

[Johnny Makarov]

The best thing to happen is if Rasmus gets an unwarranted allstar nod like Lindholm did last year.

Can't believe how overrated he is here. He got wrecked in the Oiler's playoff series and has never been the same. Average defensively and way below average offensively to the point of being offensive.

I'll drive him to the airport in my minivan if we get a 1st rounder for him.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sounds like you aren't a season ticket holder. Why would anyone want to go to our games if we trade off all the talent?

I mean sure in the young gun days we would see 1-3 fights a game to keep us entertained. We might see 1 fight every 10 games now...

I am a season ticker holder, and I want players like Kuzmenko and Mantha gone yesterday.

I would much rather watch the kids play and compete, than watch a bunch of one dimensional veteran players.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I am a season ticker holder, and I want players like Kuzmenko and Mantha gone yesterday.

I would much rather watch the kids play and compete, than watch a bunch of one dimensional veteran players.

lol Kuzmenko and Mantha aren't even in the same planet!

NotMo Mantha can take a hike. He was the biggest floater against the Canucks a few games back. At least he is BIG!

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The best thing to happen is if Rasmus gets an allstar nod like Lindholm did last year.

Can't believe how overrated he is here. He got wrecked in the Oiler's playoff series and has never been the same. Average defensively and way below average offensively to the point of being offensive.

I'll drive him to the airport in my minivan if we get a 1st rounder for him.

He's definitely overrated on here. The simple question is, is he a #1 dman on a contender. I think the true answer is no. He's a solid #2 but ideal #3 because he can move the puck up and is fairly mobile and plays his positioning well. But a big shot? Nope. Physically handle his own? No. Carry the team on his back? He's not in Makar's league. So he's simply a solid two way dman to me. It's not a bad thing being a smaller Hanifin, but he's not a top 10 D talent.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I am a season ticker holder, and I want players like Kuzmenko and Mantha gone yesterday.

I would much rather watch the kids play and compete, than watch a bunch of one dimensional veteran players.

Do you think that it would be prudent to trade Kuzmenko today for a poor return v. at the deadline for some valuable assets?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bluejays

He's definitely overrated on here. The simple question is, is he a #1 dman on a contender. I think the true answer is no. He's a solid #2 but ideal #3 because he can move the puck up and is fairly mobile and plays his positioning well. But a big shot? Nope. Physically handle his own? No. Carry the team on his back? He's not in Makar's league. So he's simply a solid two way dman to me. It's not a bad thing being a smaller Hanifin, but he's not a top 10 D talent.

Is anyone claiming he's any of those things?
He's a #2 or #3 dman on most teams, on a good contract. That's valuable.

Is anyone saying anything differently that makes you conclude "he's overrated on here"?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is anyone claiming he's any of those things?
He's a #2 or #3 dman on most teams, on a good contract. That's valuable.

Is anyone saying anything differently that makes you conclude "he's overrated on here"?

On a contender if he is a top 2 dman they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs. Hence a 1st rounder only for him is a win. and then you have a dude on here who wouldn't even trade him for 5 picks??? hahahahaha

Even last night he had a wide open chance to shoot from the point and he passed off yet again. Is he afraid he can't control his slapshot and he might hurt someone in front of the net? lol

Plus he doesn't even want to be here!

[Harry Lime]

The more that I look at it, Nashville is in win-now and Andersson would be a strong #3 for them. They have a couple of interesting prospects that are buried under veterans in the top six, three 1sts in the upcoming draft, Fabbro to balance salaries, and the Ducshane buyout coming off the books at the same time renewing Andersson would come up.

Very natural fit.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is anyone claiming he's any of those things?
He's a #2 or #3 dman on most teams, on a good contract. That's valuable.

Is anyone saying anything differently that makes you conclude "he's overrated on here"?

Some of the dummy trades mostly. They're incredibly rich.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

I think he’s earned some games. I think it sends a bad message to players in the organization if you send him down without giving him 5-10 games.

The whole “work hard, play well and earn a spot” gets thrown out the window if Honzek comes in, works hard, plays really well and gets sent down. It sends the wrong message

Which was the exact same sentiment last year with Coranato.

Honzek deserves some NHL games, that's for sure, but I think with the full slog of the season he will hit a wall. He is also coming straight from junior.

The point I was making was this the same as Coranato last year and he did okgoing down to the Wranglers, knowing full well he'd had a good camp and would be back up at some point.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the preseason means less now than it ever has.

Condensed camp with mostly vet home teams playing youth injected road teams on a nightly basis.

Zero flow. Zero chemistry. Zero representation of what we will see come the regular season.

You want to see young guys improve, and we've seen that, but I'd be careful to over judge the impact of the slate of preseason games when making asset management decisions.

Not only that, but a lot of vets don't push it during pre-season. They're just there to get into the rhythm of things again. Every year almost, young guys light up the preseason and some even start the season hot, but eventually come back to earth.


Obviously it would be good for the Flames if the kids make it and go gang-busters. But it's not terribly likely.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Some of the dummy trades mostly. They're incredibly rich.

What would be the value for two playoff runs for an affordable 40-50 point dman who plays a decently physical game?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sounds like you aren't a season ticket holder. Why would anyone want to go to our games if we trade off all the talent?

I mean sure in the young gun days we would see 1-3 fights a game to keep us entertained. We might see 1 fight every 10 games now...

I think Kuzmenko has a pretty high chance of becoming another Brouwer or Neal if he signs a long term deal. Wanting to dump Andersson but re-sign Kuzmenko is mind bottling to me.

[Jason14h]

8 months ago Kuzmenko was a cap inclusion by the Canucks

Now hes the savior of the entertainment value for season ticket holders

A floater who bangs in some PP goals with a 24% shooting percentage with the Flames (That would have been 2nd in the NHL behind Reinhart) - Almost guaranteed to regress
Sometimes I wonder if I am watching the same hockey games as people around here!

If the Flames sign him it will be beyond stupid.

Sure try to build his value up but if anything decent is offered at any point this season take the money and run

[dino7c]

Vancouver mishandled Kuzmenko IMO

not saying keep him at all costs but he is a high end talent

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

8 months ago Kuzmenko was a cap inclusion by the Canucks

Now hes the savior of the entertainment value for season ticket holders

A floater who bangs in some PP goals with a 24% shooting percentage with the Flames (That would have been 2nd in the NHL behind Reinhart) - Almost guaranteed to regress
Sometimes I wonder if I am watching the same hockey games as people around here!

If the Flames sign him it will be beyond stupid.

Sure try to build his value up but if anything decent is offered at any point this season take the money and run

His shooting percentage already regressed, it was lower than the 27% he put up the year before.