Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No Albertans are doing fine. If one doesn’t like it one knows where the door is.

Originally Posted by Yoho

Just as weak as the posters in this thread saying they will leave if Smith wins?

As weak as posters telling others to leave...........

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Which always circles the conversation back to the main issue being FPTP and people feeling their vote counts for nothing unless it is for one of the main parties. And I don't understand the federal comment as we have 3 parties.

I'm still gutted for democracy - not even the party - that 10% of Albertans voted for the AP and got nothing. Nada. Zero.

Any party that campaigns on changing the FPTP system to something more representative is a party I would seriously look at, because at the end of the day functioning democracy is necessary for societal growth.

[dubc80]

Originally Posted by Looch City

It's amazing how much some people fawn over our O&G industry. I mean I work in this industry as well but it's just ridiculous hoorah hoorah! If you're not with us, you're against us! Bertaaaa!

Oh yeah I feel this comment. I deal with older white oilfield sales guys all the time and they are very surprised when I don't immediately agree with them, or when I counter with objective opinions.

When out for lunch or coffee, these guys always find a way to inject some type of political comment in.

Like geeez man. I just want to ask you about your kids, your summer plans, and your new landscaping project. No need to turn that into a way to get a cheapshot in at Trudeau, Notley or the mayor every chance you get...

Some of these guys think O&G are the be all and end all. Truly miserable people looking for things to get upset at.

Its weird.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm still gutted for democracy - not even the party - that 10% of Albertans voted for the AP and got nothing. Nada. Zero.

Any party that campaigns on changing the FPTP system to something more representative is a party I would seriously look at, because at the end of the day functioning democracy is necessary for societal growth.

It is the number one reason I voted Trudeau in 2015.. it wasn't the legal weed (which is nice) but the change in the system. He campaigned on "this is the last election under FPTP" and I made a personal promise it would be the last time I "voted Liberal under FPTP", and I haven't voted for him since.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by dubc80

Some of these guys think O&G are the be all and end all. Truly miserable people looking for things to get upset at.

Its weird.

And, there are many of us that don't work in O+G that are just as important to the economic health of our province, especially when O+G is in a bust cycle, but hey - according to those guys you're referring to, we don't exist. Some people in this province live in such a bubble it's nuts.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by belsarius

It is the number one reason I voted Trudeau in 2015.. it wasn't the legal weed (which is nice) but the change in the system. He campaigned on "this is the last election under FPTP" and I made a personal promise it would be the last time I "voted Liberal under FPTP", and I haven't voted for him since.

This neglected election promise from him really makes me furious. Just another politician saying one thing and doing another.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by dubc80

Oh yeah I feel this comment. I deal with older white oilfield sales guys all the time and they are very surprised when I don't immediately agree with them, or when I counter with objective opinions.

When out for lunch or coffee, these guys always find a way to inject some type of political comment in.

Like geeez man. I just want to ask you about your kids, your summer plans, and your new landscaping project. No need to turn that into a way to get a cheapshot in at Trudeau, Notley or the mayor every chance you get...

Some of these guys think O&G are the be all and end all. Truly miserable people looking for things to get upset at.

Its weird.

During a meeting to tell me that he had decided to fire my entire staff and I would now be managing an offshore team, my boss deicded to start interjecting that it was all Trudeau's fault and how he can't wait for the new Margaret Thatcher to rise in the world. Like I'm pissed off you just fired all my experienced people and now you want to go on some political commentary that I think is utter bull####. Thanks boss.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm still gutted for democracy - not even the party - that 10% of Albertans voted for the AP and got nothing. Nada. Zero.

Any party that campaigns on changing the FPTP system to something more representative is a party I would seriously look at, because at the end of the day functioning democracy is necessary for societal growth.

When you're in a city having non geography based representation would work. In a rural context having a person represent your district is very important.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Muta

And, there are many of us that don't work in O+G that are just as important to the economic health of our province, especially when O+G is in a bust cycle, but hey - according to those guys you're referring to, we don't exist. Some people in this province live in such a bubble it's nuts.

Same ones who neglect/slag your industry during good times, and come crawling to you for jobs during bad times. Also same people that will leave your industry when the good times come back to go back to O/G.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by dubc80

Oh yeah I feel this comment. I deal with older white oilfield sales guys all the time and they are very surprised when I don't immediately agree with them, or when I counter with objective opinions.

When out for lunch or coffee, these guys always find a way to inject some type of political comment in.

Like geeez man. I just want to ask you about your kids, your summer plans, and your new landscaping project. No need to turn that into a way to get a cheapshot in at Trudeau, Notley or the mayor every chance you get...

Some of these guys think O&G are the be all and end all. Truly miserable people looking for things to get upset at.

Its weird.

It's interesting how times change though, wrapping up my MBA @ UofC right now I'd say half of the folks in the program that are in Oil and Gas are doing it to find a way out of Oil and Gas.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

When you're in a city having non geography based representation would work. In a rural context having a person represent your district is very important.

Why would you think that there would be no geography based representation?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Why would you think that there would be no geography based representation?

I have to admit I am not up to date on other polling systems, but my understanding is that if you based representation on the total provincial wide percentage of the vote. Then those candidates would be picked from a list provided by the party? These candidates would not necessarily need to represent the will of their electorate.

IDK, I would be interested to here how it actually works.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Weitz

This post was a while back but I just saw this article..

It’s not gonna sway me at all but things like this is probably why there is still hesitancy to vote NDP. That alone is going to make a ton of people view the NDP as they always have and not vote for them.



https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/ucp-candi...stry-1.6396686

Except that he’s absolutely right. Oil and gas exploitation is destroying the planet. This is unequivocally true. Albertans have fought back because it’s also their livelihood. But how many more generations of humanity do we have left just so that you can make a paycheque?

It sounds callous to say, and it is, but it’s a stark reality. Many people make their living off of destroying the planet, and they’d rather not think about that.

[Torture]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659227198686113794


Meanwhile in our post truth world, Smith is spinning this as win.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659226067125633026


Going to be a fun debate tonight.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by dubc80

Like geeez man. I just want to ask you about your kids, your summer plans, and your new landscaping project. No need to turn that into a way to get a cheapshot in at Trudeau, Notley or the mayor every chance you get...

Idk if this is just an oil and gas thing or if it's more generational. My dad always finds a way to get a dig in at Trudeau too. I really don't understand it as he's normally a bit of a closet socialist but he really cannot stand Trudeau.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Idk if this is just an oil and gas thing or if it's more generational. My dad always finds a way to get a dig in at Trudeau too. I really don't understand it as he's normally a bit of a closet socialist but he really cannot stand Trudeau.

He likely wouldn't care about Trudeau if
he was just a poor boy from a poor family.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

He likely wouldn't care about Trudeau if
he was just a poor boy from a poor family.

Spare him his life from this communist country

[Geraldsh]

Closet socialist? Definitely gonna havta shoot his way outta there!

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I have to admit I am not up to date on other polling systems, but my understanding is that if you based representation on the total provincial wide percentage of the vote. Then those candidates would be picked from a list provided by the party? These candidates would not necessarily need to represent the will of their electorate.

IDK, I would be interested to here how it actually works.

Most of the MMP systems use a regional component and a national component. Germany and NZ have ballots where you vote twice, once for the regional candidate and once for the national party. After all of the regional candidates are chosen by FPTP, the percentages for the national vote are determined and the number of seats will change to fit in overhang Members to balance the proportions.

I also think instead of the second vote for a national party, there are systems that just use a secondary list of candidates and you can choose from them directly. This lets you choose who you think would best represent your riding but that doesn't mean it has to match your overall vote. I might think the AP candidate has a better grasp of local politics and is very similar to the NDP so I might vote AP for my riding but want NDP overall.

There are other variations, but usually this is the system that is used when referring to MMP.

Here is the Canada Law Commission report on elector reform from 2016.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/content/Co...oderickJ-e.pdf

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Torture

Meanwhile in our post truth world, Smith is spinning this as win.

Going to be a fun debate tonight.

The actual ethics report, if you don't trust Smith's interpretation of it.


https://www.ethicscommissioner.ab.ca...ay-17-2023.pdf