2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

If you think Kuzmenko's average goals is going up, the Sharangovich deal I would do.

I'd say it's probably going south. How likely is it he hits 30 again, let alone 40, on this team? Four years or less while we're still drafting potential top talents and/or they're on ELCs, I could see him getting $6.5 million per while the cap space isn't really that important, and we do have to hit the floor.

If he starts hot and Conroy can get some decent picks, do it.

Could see him getting over 30 easily this year if he stays healthy.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’d be a bit leery about giving Kuzmenko a deal. He’s got a rep of being a little bit fat and a little bit lazy. Hand him a 6 year deal and he might be inclined to kick his feet up. Flames will be challenged for the next 6 years or so of having one contract that is problematic. Having two or more could really sewer any rebuild they are undertaking. I suspect the plan here has been to flip Kuzmenko for more assets, they shouldn’t deviate.

What is this nonsense?

He should have a rep of being a highly skilled guy who stays on the ice after the other guys leave, working on stickhandling, then working on his hand eye and going net front and tipping point shots from Miromanov

Because that rep would be based in fact

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

What is this nonsense?

He should have a rep of being a highly skilled guy who stays on the ice after the other guys leave, working on stickhandling, then working on his hand eye and going net front and tipping point shots from Miromanov

Because that rep would be based in fact

Not sure about fat, but there has been some mention of his not arriving in the best of shape.

[Toonage]

I thought this was the knock against him in Vancouver, or specifically why Tocchet didn't like him.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

What is this nonsense?

He should have a rep of being a highly skilled guy who stays on the ice after the other guys leave, working on stickhandling, then working on his hand eye and going net front and tipping point shots from Miromanov

Because that rep would be based in fact

I was just taking a page from Haken Loob’s book on his comments about Rasmus Andersson years ago. Bingo’s right, Kuzmenko’s fitness has been questioned, even as recently as last year when he joined the Flames.

Take it easy, friend.

[Enoch Root]

I think Kuzmenko suffers from a bit of Russian prejudice at times - talented, but lazy, and not interested in the defensive side of things.

Is he Patrice Bergeron? Absolutely not. But since he has come here, what I have seen is a guy with a great attitude, that wants to win, looks to be working hard, and - most importantly - has an offensive flair that this team desperately needs.

I think he gets a lot more criticism than he deserves, frankly.

Tocchet was trying to get him to play a two-way middle six role that didn't suit him. Huska is deploying him more sensibly. In the right role, he is an effective player.

[Bonded]

I have zero desire for the Flames to re-sign Kuzmenko. Flip him for some picks and move on. The Flames already have too much salary tied up in older players and don't need to add an aging offensive only player onto the pile.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure about fat, but there has been some mention of his not arriving in the best of shape.

Was that from his Vancouver camps? Because I could swear I heard Meaghan Mikkelson on the FAN mention that Kuzmenko stood out to her at the start of camp of being leaner than last season and noticeably quicker as well. Would be unfortunate if his camps from 2 or 3 years ago stuck with him despite him correcting his ways.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I thought this was the knock against him in Vancouver, or specifically why Tocchet didn't like him.

Tocchet's issue with him as that he was timid on the forecheck and was confused by the idea of there being three zones.


I don't think there was an issue with him being "out of shape" as it were, but he definitely didn't show up to camp in his best shape at his second camp. Rutherford said this, "He prepared himself, he worked hard at it. Probably didn't work at the kind of things you need to to be in 'hockey shape"

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Tocchet's issue with him as that he was timid on the forecheck and was confused by the idea of there being three zones.

This would be the lazy part would it not?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I was just taking a page from Haken Loob’s book on his comments about Rasmus Andersson years ago. Bingo’s right, Kuzmenko’s fitness has been questioned, even as recently as last year when he joined the Flames.

Take it easy, friend.

Sorry man, that right there is lazy.

First it reads like “Loob said Andersson was once out of shape so I’ll take a page from his book and I’ll say Kuzmenko was too”

The actual story is easy to find

When he came from the KHL to the NHL, his conditioning wasn’t up to standard so they put him on a personal program, he embraced it and came to camp in year 2 leaner

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/no-more...better/sn-amp/

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Sorry man, that right there is lazy.

First it reads like “Loob said Andersson was once out of shape so I’ll take a page from his book and I’ll say Kuzmenko was too”

The actual story is easy to find

When he came from the KHL to the NHL, his conditioning wasn’t up to standard so they put him on a personal program, he embraced it and came to camp in year 2 leaner

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/no-more...better/sn-amp/

Good stuff, mate.

You have yourself a nice day now.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think Kuzmenko suffers from a bit of Russian prejudice at times - talented, but lazy, and not interested in the defensive side of things.

Is he Patrice Bergeron? Absolutely not. But since he has come here, what I have seen is a guy with a great attitude, that wants to win, looks to be working hard, and - most importantly - has an offensive flair that this team desperately needs.

I think he gets a lot more criticism than he deserves, frankly.

Tocchet was trying to get him to play a two-way middle six role that didn't suit him. Huska is deploying him more sensibly. In the right role, he is an effective player.

So, what AAV and term would you be willing to give him?

That's really the question.

Posters differ on his perceived value to be sure, but at the right price, he can be kept.

For me the question is term.

And, of course, what can we get for him in terms of draft picks. That really depends on how his season starts for a deadline deal.

But I expect he needs to be signed to an extension or traded for whatever we can get.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So who do we block from making the team by signing Kuzmenko to a long term extension.

Sharngovich is signed long term. Huberdeau is here to stay. Zary has made the team.

We could trade Coleman, but Honzek and Coronato as not suited for that role. They need top 6 ice, and PP time.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I might be a negative Nellie but I'm setting my expectations for Rasmus based on the Hanifin deal, but with a forward instead of a D. If Conny does better then that's a win. I don't think Rasmus will hamstring us in the same way Noah did (as was his right) but we'll see.

He has a 6 team no trade. Can't do much with that.

[Ba'alzamon]

Maybe Honzek does hit a wall when the regular season starts and has to get sent down. Maybe he doesn't. That isn't the point.

The point is that preseason performances have to mean something. He hasn't just played well enough to make the team; he's been the Flames' best forward, bar none. That has to mean something.

Otherwise, what's the point?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Maybe Honzek does hit a wall when the regular season starts and has to get sent down. Maybe he doesn't. That isn't the point.

The point is that preseason performances have to mean something. He hasn't just played well enough to make the team; he's been the Flames' best forward, bar none. That has to mean something.

Otherwise, what's the point?

His point totals look great. But I looked at the stats and he had some - advances stats but this was on the score app.

Does anyone actually have some of the other metrics?

[Sylvanfan]

Kuzmenko has tended to produce a lot more later in the season than early on. There are a number of potential reasons why. He's started out in new systems both years so is it an adjustment period to get comfortable. Did his conditioning not get into form until later in the season? Is it a product of bad team out of the playoffs with no pressure?

We might get some insight to start this season if he starts fast or slow.

[Robbob]

I think it is the manner of the conversation you have with the player. I think they all understand it is a business and Conroy will do what he can to protect an asset rather than giving it away. If it means for a player to go down for a few days knowing they made the team make a hard decision and now they team is trying to make room for them because of the camp they had, then so be it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

His point totals look great. But I looked at the stats and he had some - advances stats but this was on the score app.

Does anyone actually have some of the other metrics?

2nd for forwards with 20+ minutes of ice time in xGF60
4th for forwards with 20+ minutes of ice time in xGA60

Ironically Mantha is 1st and 3rd and seems to be hated by all.