Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Jesus, you guys love bringing up the UCP and trying to disparage them. They have you on full tilt.

Probably no more than the Liberals have you on it.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

This is amazing news.

I'm starting to look into it now.

Does anyone know if MS medications are covered? If so, I just might fly out to Ottawa and kiss Singh myself.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

This is amazing news.

I'm starting to look into it now.

Does anyone know if MS medications are covered? If so, I just might fly out to Ottawa and kiss Singh myself.

I think the Prescription coverage is great.

Again...if our Government is going to piss money away, I'd rather they do it in a manner that actually benefits average Canadians.

The thing is though, in my experience, MS is tricky. There are meds and procedures that aren't recognized, because its not a 'one-size-fits-all.'

There's an MS procedure...I cant remember the name of it, but it works for some and is useless for others and you dont really know if it'll work for you until you try it. I've had two clients go out of country to get the procedure and for one it was a miracle and for the other it was a nightmare.

Just an awful disease.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think the Prescription coverage is great.



Again...if our Government is going to piss money away, I'd rather they do it in a manner that actually benefits average Canadians.



The thing is though, in my experience, MS is tricky. There are meds and procedures that aren't recognized, because its not a 'one-size-fits-all.'



There's an MS procedure...I cant remember the name of it, but it works for some and is useless for others and you dont really know if it'll work for you until you try it. I've had two clients go out of country to get the procedure and for one it was a miracle and for the other it was a nightmare.



Just an awful disease.

You pretty much just described every autoimmune disease.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Does anyone know if MS medications are covered? If so, I just might fly out to Ottawa and kiss Singh myself.

Sounds like it's just contraceptives and insulin and other drugs for diabetes.

A full sweeping pharama-care plan would require more than $10B a year in new Federal spending but the Liberal Government was only willing to fund $800M right now.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10020670/...nada-pbo-cost/

[Doctorfever]

That’s too bad they didn’t have the foresight to manage the books to be able to afford the full sweep.

Guess it didn’t balance itself after all.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You pretty much just described every autoimmune disease.

Well the problem with that is, and this is why I referenced MS, essentially the Government is in the position of 'Letting Perfect be the enemy of Good.'

If its not a blanket solution, they dont approve it.

Which is why the MS sufferers and clients that I've dealt with have had to go out of country for their procedures and pay for it out of pocket.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well the problem with that is, and this is why I referenced MS, essentially the Government is in the position of 'Letting Perfect be the enemy of Good.'

If its not a blanket solution, they dont approve it.

Which is why the MS sufferers and clients that I've dealt with have had to go out of country for their procedures and pay for it out of pocket.

I don’t think it’s that simple. You said above that for some people it’s great and for some people it’s a nightmare. I think you’re talking about the liberation treatment?

Anyway, it’s just unproven and you can’t have a state funded medical system pushing treatments in its population that might be awesome or might be a catastrophe. Then the country ends up liable for damages and outcomes after they ruin people’s lives. This isn’t a seeing eye shot from the blue line in overtime that “could work, and you never know”.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don’t think it’s that simple. You said above that for some people it’s great and for some people it’s a nightmare. I think you’re talking about the liberation treatment?

Anyway, it’s just unproven and you can’t have a state funded medical system pushing treatments in its population that might be awesome or might be a catastrophe. Then the country ends up liable for damages and outcomes after they ruin people’s lives. This isn’t a seeing eye shot from the blue line in overtime that “could work, and you never know”.

I suppose thats a good point, I didnt really think about liability.

It just sucks when you have this debilitating condition, travel is difficult, but if you want to try and get the procedure you're going to have to travel and pay to do it.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I just know my brother's medication is 5 figures a year. Fortunately his fiancée's (soon to be wife) plan covers it (to some reasonable degree).

I just don't think that an individual who becomes afflicted with a disease through no fault of their own, should have to pay $12,000+ per year for medication if they don't have coverage through work (or it isn't covered on the formulary, or if they don't have work, or coverage, etc).

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Sounds like it's just contraceptives and insulin and other drugs for diabetes.

A full sweeping pharama-care plan would require more than $10B a year in new Federal spending but the Liberal Government was only willing to fund $800M right now.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10020670/...nada-pbo-cost/

In the short term that is what is being added, it’s not limited to that. This article is also old.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm a cynic on this for a couple of reasons.


I think this government will be a disaster implementing anything, and this will likely go way over budget, add thousands more to the private sector and some consulting firms are going to get rich.


What's the demand on Singh, continuing to shut down committees and investigations, is he going to march in on Monday with a nothing to see here on arrivecan, we're shutting down this investigation.

[Fuzz]

I find it amusing how much hand wringing y'all are doing over this here, yet never give a #### about things like Turkish Tylenol(which seems to be a similar financial hit-at province scale) or, oh, $1.5 BILLION just handed over no questions asked to a pipeline company. Where are you calls for an investigation into that? Or demanding he RCMP finally wrap up it's report on Kenney's sketchy seizing of power?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I find it amusing how much hand wringing y'all are doing over this here, yet never give a #### about things like Turkish Tylenol(which seems to be a similar financial hit-at province scale) or, oh, $1.5 BILLION just handed over no questions asked to a pipeline company. Where are you calls for an investigation into that? Or demanding he RCMP finally wrap up it's report on Kenney's sketchy seizing of power?

Thats no one's Business but the Turks'!

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Sounds like it's just contraceptives and insulin and other drugs for diabetes.

A full sweeping pharama-care plan would require more than $10B a year in new Federal spending but the Liberal Government was only willing to fund $800M right now.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10020670/...nada-pbo-cost/

This is an example of what the NDP is all about. They rule like there is an endless supply of money. They have no ability to manage an economy whatsoever.

I don't get it. Our healthcare system is unsustainable, largely from a lack of long term funding, and they want to expand the system even more.

Sure it's nice to have these things, but shouldn't things like more doctors, nurses, healthcare workers, improved waiting times, etc. be more of a priority in terms of spending.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

This is an example of what the NDP is all about. They rule like there is an endless supply of money. They have no ability to manage an economy whatsoever.

I don't get it. Our healthcare system is unsustainable, largely from a lack of long term funding, and they want to expand the system even more.

Sure it's nice to have these things, but shouldn't things like more doctors, nurses, healthcare workers, improved waiting times, etc. be more of a priority in terms of spending.

I'd argue not having people suffer and die because they can't afford medications should be a top priority.

Yes, we need more doctors. What's the good of more doctors if you can't afford the medication they prescribe?

At the very least, cover the medications that costs in the tens of thousands a year.

[PepsiFree]

“The government isn’t spending enough on healthcare for me to support this government spending on healthcare.”

People scrambling to critique this before details are even out have already hit genius mode.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Our healthcare system is unsustainable, largely from a lack of long term funding,

Where would you propose this funding come from?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Where would you propose this funding come from?

Perhaps we can start with the hundreds of millions the Liberals are sending to their cronies.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Where would you propose this funding come from?

Originally Posted by Azure

Perhaps we can start with the hundreds of millions the Liberals are sending to their cronies.

Or put the GST back to 7%

Or cut back on giving profitable companies subsidies

Or maybe, just maybe, we value human lives and put them first and not use money as a bull**** excuse so we can get some kicks watching them suffer