2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Of course stay away. But Washington isn't going to just absorb Lindy's new price tag. Something's gotta give, and the Flames would likely need to eat cap.

But Washington is also not going to trade a 7 year extension they signed in the summer. If they were not all in on Wilson they do t give him that deal in August.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by CFO

This year -Re-sign hanafin.

Not for the speculated amount of $60m, Flames need to retool and move on

[CFO]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not for the speculated amount of $60m, Flames need to retool and move on

That's fair market value for a D his age, 45-50 points a season, plays 22+ minutes a night.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Of course stay away. But Washington isn't going to just absorb Lindy's new price tag. Something's gotta give, and the Flames would likely need to eat cap.

The “give” is Backstrom being on LTIR. They can easily afford Lindholm’s current contract and his extension.

No way they trade Wilson when his extension doesn’t even start until next year.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by CFO

That's fair market value for a D his age, 45-50 points a season, plays 22+ minutes a night.

Maybe, however that range of point production has occurred once in his career.

Hanifin is a key dman, however he is not a #1, paying him ~$7.5 ish is too much in my opinion

[Ozy_Flame]

No way they trade 29 year-old Wilson without his new contract starting?

Isn't that 28 year-old Lindholm's situation?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

No way they trade 29 year-old Wilson without his new contract starting?

Isn't that 28 year-old Lindholm's situation?

If the Flames had signed Lindholm, they wouldn’t be looking to trade him.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by CFO

That's fair market value for a D his age, 45-50 points a season, plays 22+ minutes a night.

Hanifin is not a top pair D man, he is a $6-6.5 MM a year guy.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If the Flames had signed Lindholm, they wouldn’t be looking to trade him.

Disagree. Lindholm likely doesn't want any part of a rebuild.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Disagree. Lindholm likely doesn't want any part of a rebuild.

They wouldn’t be rebuilding if they had signed Lindholm.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They wouldn’t be rebuilding if they had signed Lindholm.

Disagree again. Lindholm in a contract year or with an extension doesn't change the Flames fortunes any differently. A rebuild is imminent, and Lindy knows it.

If you ask me, his ask was effectively a trade demand.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Disagree again. Lindholm in a contract year or with an extension doesn't change the Flames fortunes any differently. A rebuild is imminent, and Lindy knows it.

If you ask me, his ask was effectively a trade demand.

What is there to disagree with? If the Flames had Lindholm on the books, they would likely try to retool instead of rebuild. The reason they’re rebuilding is because they haven’t signed these guys yet.

I’m not sure what point you’re making at this point and how it relates to Wilson. The Capitals would be acquiring Lindholm to replace Backstrom, because they don’t plan on rebuilding, and they just signed Wilson to an extension. Mantha is done after this season, Oshie the season after, and Wilson is contributing.

There is no reality where they need to or want to move Wilson as a cap dump, and they don’t want to rebuild while Ovechkin is there so they aren’t going to move a contributing player when they don’t have to in order to make the money work.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Disagree again. Lindholm in a contract year or with an extension doesn't change the Flames fortunes any differently. A rebuild is imminent, and Lindy knows it.

If you ask me, his ask was effectively a trade demand.

Well Washington is off to a good start so why would they be reconsidering trading a player they just gave a 7 year extension to? The comparison with Lindholm is off. Had the Flames signed Lindholm before the season his name wouldn’t be in trade rumors. His name is out there because he is a free agent. The only names we know that are out there are the 4 UFA’s.

Washington trading for and signing Lindholm is a sign they continue to go all in with their roster and with that being the case Wilson is not a guy they would consider dealing.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The more that I look at St. Louis, I could see them as a landing spot for Zadorov. They are in the thick of the playoff race, and are littered with long term contracts that I can't imagine that they want to waste the best years of.

The player that jumps out consistently is Scott Perunovich. Hobey Baker winner, and destroyed the AHL. He's the 6-7 defenseman in St. Louis and is getting sub-12 minutes a game. They would also have to give up their actual #7 defensman in Marco Scandella for cap purposes, but he is in the last year of his contract. They also have two 2nd rounders this year.

Perunovich, Scandella and 2024 2nd, and I'd be pretty happy for Zads.

In 2021, the Blues tried to trade for Zadorov, but the Hawks trading with the Blues is like an Oilers Flames trade. Army wanted him and may still have interest.
Also plenty of talk/rumours locally that the Blues pivoted from Sanheim to Hanifin when the Philly deal fell apart. Sanheim's contract is pretty much the same as the rumoured Hanifin contract with the Flames that was shelved.

[Ozy_Flame]

How exactly is Washington going to add 9 million + to their roster without giving cap dumps in return? Fehervary is almost 3 mil on IR and will returm, Wilson needs a bump next year, and they have multiple RFAs to sign.

Where does this fit, exactly?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

How exactly is Washington going to add 9 million + to their roster without giving cap dumps in return? Fehervary is almost 3 mil on IR and will returm, Wilson needs a bump next year, and they have multiple RFAs to sign.

Where does this fit, exactly?

Backstrom 9.2M Retired on LTIR
Mantha 5.7M off the books

Oshie 5.7M off the books a year later
Kuznetsov 7.8 is off the books as well a year later, though who knows what they do with that.

They aren’t in a bad spot at all.

[Ozy_Flame]

LTIR doesn't count against the cap.

Lindholm doesn't replace all three of Oshie, Mantha and Kuznetsov.

If they're in win now strategy, you don't lose three players like that and replace with one.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

In 2021, the Blues tried to trade for Zadorov, but the Hawks trading with the Blues is like an Oilers Flames trade. Army wanted him and may still have interest.
Also plenty of talk/rumours locally that the Blues pivoted from Sanheim to Hanifin when the Philly deal fell apart. Sanheim's contract is pretty much the same as the rumoured Hanifin contract with the Flames that was shelved.

Zadorov was free several times since and nobody wanted to give him a long term contract

He maybe worth something as a rental but don’t hold your breath for a big return

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

LTIR doesn't count against the cap.

Lindholm doesn't replace all three of Oshie, Mantha and Kuznetsov.

If they're in win now strategy, you don't lose three players like that and replace with one.

Sure, however if you look at Cap Friendly. Capitals have placed two players on LTIR. They could trade for Lindholm (if they had the assets).

With the Capitals owner, they are in win now mode until the goal record is broke in my opinion

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

LTIR doesn't count against the cap.

Lindholm doesn't replace all three of Oshie, Mantha and Kuznetsov.

If they're in win now strategy, you don't lose three players like that and replace with one.

So your solution is that they should lose four players like that and try to replace Wilson, Oshie, Mantha, and Kuznetsov with one player instead?

It’s a lot simpler than you’re making it out to be. They can afford Lindholm now thanks to LTIR, and they can afford his next contract thanks to a mix of LTIR in the first year and multiple guys coming off the books the next.

Mantha is going to come off because he’s not worth that contract. Oshie is going to come off because he likely retires or takes a small retirement contract (there or elsewhere, he’ll be 38 and has one point this year).

You’re not really justifying any reason why they would want to get rid of Wilson, who has as many points as Kuznetsov while making less and more points than Mantha, Backstrom, and Oshie combined. Lindholm, as well, has more points than Mantha, Backstrom, and Oshie combined. And replaces the hole Backstrom is leaving in the middle.

I don’t know why you’re hung up on it. They don’t need to trade anyone to fit Lindholm in, and Lindholm replaces either Backstrom or Kuznetsov, one or both of which will need replacing now or within two years.