2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Enoch Root]

Assuming that the Flames' brass are sitting around, with their hands tied, doing nothing while they wait on Gaudreau is a pretty laughable and naïve position to take.

The fact that they haven't made a trade, so that you have something to do, does not mean they aren't doing their jobs.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Assuming that the Flames' brass are sitting around, with their hands tied, doing nothing while they wait on Gaudreau is a pretty laughable and naïve position to take.

The fact that they haven't made a trade, so that you have something to do, does not mean they aren't doing their jobs.

Meh, I have directly viewed some of the work this team outputs in powerpoint form. Extremely mediocre. I could believe that they're not doing much of anything while waiting for Gaudreau.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Meh, I have directly viewed some of the work this team outputs in powerpoint form. Extremely mediocre. I could believe that they're not doing much of anything while waiting for Gaudreau.

So, if Gaudreau does leave, you don’t think they will have a plan or have set some contingencies into place?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So, if Gaudreau does leave, you don’t think they will have a plan or have set some contingencies into place?

No doubt they have contingencies thought out, but I would be interested to know how "in place" they are. How can a contingency be in place already when we're talking about the acquisition (whether through signing or trade) of a player who is roughly equivalent in offensive output to johnny gaudreau? Unless the contingency is rebuild I just don't see how anyone could have something "in place" right now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No doubt they have contingencies thought out, but I would be interested to know how "in place" they are. How can a contingency be in place already when we're talking about the acquisition (whether through signing or trade) of a player who is roughly equivalent in offensive output to johnny gaudreau? Unless the contingency is rebuild I just don't see how anyone could have something "in place" right now.

So ehen Brodie left and they signed Tanev, was that just a happy accident?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So ehen Brodie left and they signed Tanev, was that just a happy accident?

I don't see how these situations are at all comparable, but I will humor you.

1. They tried to trade Brodie.

2. They never indicated they were attempting to resign brodie. But if they were, attempting to trade him prior to doing so only to be foiled by another players NMC, that likely soured negotiations somewhat. This would give them an opportunity to shop around.

3. They offered Tanev a contract after free agency opened. We know that because there were interviews from Tanev about how the process went. He was still negotiating with Vancouver and thought he might resign there still.

4. Flames ended up signing Tanev

But I don't see how anyone could say they had an alternative to Brodie locked in. Until he signed on the dotted line, it was just as likely as not that we would have no replacement for Brodie, and any suggestion to the contrary would constitute an accusation of tampering as Tanev was still a vancouver player.

So my reflection remains the same. I think they've thought of potential alternatives, but it's patently false to say they've locked anything in. They can't have.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't see how these situations are at all comparable, but I will humor you.

1. They tried to trade Brodie.

2. They never indicated they were attempting to resign brodie. But if they were, attempting to trade him prior to doing so only to be foiled by another players NMC, that likely soured negotiations somewhat. This would give them an opportunity to shop around.

3. They offered Tanev a contract after free agency opened. We know that because there were interviews from Tanev about how the process went. He was still negotiating with Vancouver and thought he might resign there still.

4. Flames ended up signing Tanev

But I don't see how anyone could say they had an alternative to Brodie locked in. Until he signed on the dotted line, it was just as likely as not that we would have no replacement for Brodie, and any suggestion to the contrary would constitute an accusation of tampering as Tanev was still a vancouver player.

So my reflection remains the same. I think they've thought of potential alternatives, but it's patently false to say they've locked anything in. They can't have.

Of course they don't have anything locked in - any player locked in would already be on the roster.

But that is not what contingency means. Contingency plans are what you pursue after Plan A fails. And there is zero doubt they have multiple contingency plans - it is literally what they do for a living.

Some possible contingency plans:
1) Forsberg
2) Debrincat (now off the table)
3) Kadri
4) trade Tkachuk and rebuild
... etc

You seem to want contingency plans to be executed now, before Plan A has fallen through.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So my reflection remains the same. I think they've thought of potential alternatives, but it's patently false to say they've locked anything in. They can't have.

Nothing is a sure thing or "locked in" when it comes to signings and trades, until they're actually done, so if we're using that measure then teams never have contingency plans in place.

Realistically, what it probably means is they likely have a plan on how they want to proceed if it doesn't work out, if not some pokers in the fire already, and that's pretty much all they can do.

Having a contingency plan doesn't mean the contingency plan is a guarantee.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't see how these situations are at all comparable, but I will humor you.

1. They tried to trade Brodie.

2. They never indicated they were attempting to resign brodie. But if they were, attempting to trade him prior to doing so only to be foiled by another players NMC, that likely soured negotiations somewhat. This would give them an opportunity to shop around.

3. They offered Tanev a contract after free agency opened. We know that because there were interviews from Tanev about how the process went. He was still negotiating with Vancouver and thought he might resign there still.

4. Flames ended up signing Tanev

But I don't see how anyone could say they had an alternative to Brodie locked in. Until he signed on the dotted line, it was just as likely as not that we would have no replacement for Brodie, and any suggestion to the contrary would constitute an accusation of tampering as Tanev was still a vancouver player.

So my reflection remains the same. I think they've thought of potential alternatives, but it's patently false to say they've locked anything in. They can't have.

In either case, Brodie or Gaudreau, I didn’t say they had anything locked in.

Seems to me the argument being made is that the Flames are doing next to nothing while they wait on Gaudreau’s decision. I find that hard to believe. I would imagine they have several scenarios that are being simultaneously considered, including all the ones being debated here.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

In either case, Brodie or Gaudreau, I didn’t say they had anything locked in.

Seems to me the argument being made is that the Flames are doing next to nothing while they wait on Gaudreau’s decision. I find that hard to believe. I would imagine they have several scenarios that are being simultaneously considered, including all the ones being debated here.

Thing is I don't disagree with most of you. They could be sitting around talking about contingency plans.

I challenge people to prove that just dreaming up contingency scenarios is more than nothing. In fact, if they didn't already have the contingency scenarios drafted up in every possible way, they were woefully unprepared for today.

IMO true contingency would be having trades agreed to in principle already should x y or z not come to pass/ come to pass. I don't believe the flames have done this. They can't have done this with free agents because free agency hasn't started yet.




What about looking for a puck moving d man? What about exploring options for our emerging glut of goal tenders? These are potential items that the management team could be addressing today that don't involve John. But we heard Tre say himself that they're only investing calories on thinking of Gaudreau.

[Sofa GM]

With the Coilers new cap wealth I could see them one stop shopping in Philadelphia getting Carter Hart and Ryan Ellis

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

With the Coilers new cap wealth I could see them one stop shopping in Philadelphia getting Carter Hart and Ryan Ellis

Philly seems like they're pushing to remain a middling team, not rebuilding. I can't see why they would trade their "goalie of the future" and the player they brought in last season who barely played.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Philly seems like they're pushing to remain a middling team, not rebuilding. I can't see why they would trade their "goalie of the future" and the player they brought in last season who barely played.

Premature...but I feel like if Johnny leaves Calgary...

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Philly seems like they're pushing to remain a middling team, not rebuilding. I can't see why they would trade their "goalie of the future" and the player they brought in last season who barely played.

They were rumored to be trying to trade Ellis to CBJ yesterday. And everyone knows Hart isn't going to survive under Torts.

[FlamesAreOne]

Word is Lucic is upset with the team as we've been actively shopping him. So much so he backed out of riding at the Stampede parade.

[Ashasx]

what

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Word is Lucic is upset with the team as we've been actively shopping him. So much so he backed out of riding at the Stampede parade.

I love Looch but he has to know he is a major anchor with his contract. It isn’t personal it’s just business. If he made $1.5-$2MM like he is worth he would be a really nice piece.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Word is Lucic is upset with the team as we've been actively shopping him. So much so he backed out of riding at the Stampede parade.

Really? Where did it come from?

[Ashasx]

I think FlamesAreOne broke the Toffoli news on CP well before any NHL insiders.

Really uncool if Lucic is upset about that. But I trust the source.

[Mass_nerder]

I can understand him feeling awkward riding in the parade with the team; he probably doesn't feel like he's really part of it anymore, if he's being shopped aggressively. I don't understand how he could be upset though. He has to acknowledge that this is a business, and his cap hit is actively hampering the team's ability to get better.