[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Everyone enjoying themselves now is aware that Eichel needs time and may be back to normal next season. But there were a bunch of people who claimed he’d be the elite C needed on the Flames THIS season. And that he’d make an immediate impact on the Knights.

Yes, try not to post anymore but logged in to take my lumps.

I thought this was a huge missed opportunity by Calgary but (knock on wood) so far missing this could be a huge dodged bullet as looking like Buffalo destroyed in this trade so far.

Still time but tough to see how Calgary would have been better off so far making the deal. Was wrong.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Everyone enjoying themselves now is aware that Eichel needs time and may be back to normal next season. But there were a bunch of people who claimed he’d be the elite C needed on the Flames THIS season. And that he’d make an immediate impact on the Knights.

I think there were a lot of people in the middle though.

That really wanted to add Eichel - but only at the right cost without moving an impact piece off our roster.

Think most people here thought that something like Monahan, Valimaki, Zary, 1st (YYC), 2nd (FLA), (Pitlick for cap), was the move that would make sense for us for both this season, and long term.

I still think that would have worked for the Flames because we probably could have survived Monahan not being in the lineup, and wouldn't have been so dependent on Eichel needing to come in and perform immediately as a first line center when he joined the line up.

He'd be a lot more sheltered by Backlund and Lindholm on the Flames roster right now than he is on this current heavily injured Vegas roster.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well that was kinda the point of some people suggesting caution on the trade. And that said, Tuch came in mid season off pretty significant surgery too, and went on a PPG pace off the hop.

Yeah, I was relieved when we "lost" out on him. Too much risk involved and if any valuable roster players were involved, I think it would have hobbled the team this season.

Difficult to see the future is with this one though. It could payoff next year, but for this season, I think it was a big risk and showed some hubris by Vegas to make a deal. They sure invested in some players with long term injury concerns.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think there were a lot of people in the middle though.

That really wanted to add Eichel - but only at the right cost without moving an impact piece off our roster.

Think most people here thought that something like Monahan, Valimaki, Zary, 1st (YYC), 2nd (FLA), (Pitlick for cap), was the move that would make sense for us for both this season, and long term.

I still think that would have worked for the Flames because we probably could have survived Monahan not being in the lineup, and wouldn't have been so dependent on Eichel needing to come in and perform immediately as a first line center when he joined the line up.

He'd be a lot more sheltered by Backlund and Lindholm on the Flames roster right now than he is on this current heavily injured Vegas roster.

Well if you can make that deal you do it for sure. But there’s still be hell to pay next year cap wise. Monahan and Valimaki’s hit don’t cut it, and I think one of Mangiapane, Tkachuk or maybe even both would fall victim.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yes, try not to post anymore but logged in to take my lumps.

I thought this was a huge missed opportunity by Calgary but (knock on wood) so far missing this could be a huge dodged bullet as looking like Buffalo destroyed in this trade so far.

Still time but tough to see how Calgary would have been better off so far making the deal. Was wrong.

Meh....no biggie.

Im wrong about players all the time, but then I learn and change my opinion.

Example......If I was running things, Backlund would have been dealt years ago. Now he is so valuable in his role under Darryl this team would be hooped without him. Again things change.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well if you can make that deal you do it for sure. But there’s still be hell to pay next year cap wise. Monahan and Valimaki’s hit don’t cut it, and I think one of Mangiapane, Tkachuk or maybe even both would fall victim.

In that case I think you would have moved Mangiapane to recoup some assets, and probably need to pay to get rid of Lucic's contract as well.

Lindholm - Eichel - Backlund down the middle is how you win a cup.

You fill in with Pelletier, Coronato, and Phillips on the wings to replace Mangiapane and other wingers long term.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In that case I think you would have moved Mangiapane to recoup some assets, and probably need to pay to get rid of Lucic's contract as well.

Lindholm - Eichel - Backlund down the middle is how you win a cup.

You fill in with Pelletier, Coronato, and Phillips on the wings to replace Mangiapane and other wingers long term.

Except I think you don’t have Coronato because I think he’s part of the deal, with Zary.

Funny how you ordered those centres, eh?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

They just gave us 1st in the Division

Boom! It's pretty lame to quote yourself though... lol

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In that case I think you would have moved Mangiapane to recoup some assets, and probably need to pay to get rid of Lucic's contract as well.

Lindholm - Eichel - Backlund down the middle is how you win a cup.

You fill in with Pelletier, Coronato, and Phillips on the wings to replace Mangiapane and other wingers long term.

I think moving Eatbread would be a big mistake. If he played on the top line with either Johnny+Lindy or Chucky+Lindy for an entire season, it's very likely that he would score 50+ goals. His underlying stats are also very good, despite not playing on that line. He's a player.

If a choice were to come down to you have to choose one, who do you move, Eatbread or Kylly, I'd move Kylly. Don't get me wrong, I really like Kylly, and he has emerged as a superb blueliner this season. But this team seems to be producing a number of nice defensemen prospects and seem set at that position for quite some time. The other consideration is that Kylly doesn't become UFA until 2024, so his trade value is high. He might be the piece that you package with Monahan & Lucic to get their salaries off the books.

Having two elite centres is a nice thing to have, but I'm not convinced that it's an absolute must-have in order to win a SC.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I think moving Eatbread would be a big mistake. If he played on the top line with either Johnny+Lindy or Chucky+Lindy for an entire season, it's very likely that he would score 50+ goals. His underlying stats are also very good, despite not playing on that line. He's a player.

If a choice were to come down to you have to choose one, who do you move, Eatbread or Kylly, I'd move Kylly. Don't get me wrong, I really like Kylly, and he has emerged as a superb blueliner this season. But this team seems to be producing a number of nice defensemen prospects and seem set at that position for quite some time. The other consideration is that Kylly doesn't become UFA until 2024, so his trade value is high. He might be the piece that you package with Monahan & Lucic to get their salaries off the books...

I think it feels that way because the Flames have fairly recently graduated Kylington and Andersson, and because their defense core is quite young. However, there really aren't a lot of blueliners coming up through the ranks: Mackey looks like he could be a player, then there is Valimaki—who is still trying to find his footing after a couple of disastrous developmental setbacks. Then, it's players like Kuznetsov, Kinnvall and Poirier who are still really raw, and with very uncertain slotting.

The Flames's top prospects right now are mostly scoring forwards: Pelletier, Coronato, Zary; and then you add a wildcard like Kevin's to that mix, and I think this is the obvious strength of the depth chart from which to make deals.

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[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames's top prospects right now are mostly scoring forwards: Pelletier, Coronato, Zary; and then you add a wildcard like Kevin's to that mix, and I think this is the obvious strength of the depth chart from which to make deals.

Then maybe you move one of those to get things done that need to get done. It would be a sad day if Eatbread is moved.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except I think you don’t have Coronato because I think he’s part of the deal, with Zary.

Funny how you ordered those centres, eh?

Maybe he's part of the deal, maybe he's not. In the packages I was proposing before the trade, and this morning he wasn't part of the deal. This is my hypothetical scenario, go find your own.

And I think you can order the centers either way. If you'd like I can update it to Eichel-Lindholm-Backlund?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe he's part of the deal, maybe he's not. In the packages I was proposing before the trade, and this morning he wasn't part of the deal. This is my hypothetical scenario, go find your own.

And I think you can order the centers either way. If you'd like I can update it to Eichel-Lindholm-Backlund?

I was just thinking it’s funny how Lindholm has improved his status, that’s all. No one would put him first line with Eichel on the team before the season.

I think the package you had I’d do all day. It doesn’t match Buffalo’s though.

[dino7c]

Proposed Flames offers were nowhere near what Buffalo ended up getting...sure trading a guy who can't make our team, a guy we can't give away, and a 1st for Eichel would have been a win. Not realistic though.

Look what Tuch and Krebs are doing...pick is getting higher by the day

[SuperMatt18]

I still think Krebs, Pelletier and Zary are comparable prospects…although Zary has struggled with injuries this year.

The big piece is Tuch’s closest comparable is Mangiapane from a player perspective for sure.

Last offseason maybe you could have argued Monahan and Tuch were still “comparable” but that train is long gone now.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still think Krebs, Pelletier and Zary are comparable prospects…although Zary has struggled with injuries this year.

You can think that.
What matters is what Buffalo thought.

I think Pelletier has increased his stock with a great AHL year, but he's still a winger and Krebs is a centre.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still think Krebs, Pelletier and Zary are comparable prospects…although Zary has struggled with injuries this year.

The big piece is Tuch’s closest comparable is Mangiapane from a player perspective for sure.

Last offseason maybe you could have argued Monahan and Tuch were still “comparable” but that train is long gone now.

Tuch just has that sweet contract which puts him ahead of Mangiapane. Hard to say that any Flames prospect could have parachuted in like Krebs this year. But he was the guy they always wanted so an overpay would have been necessary.

[dino7c]

Tuch actually wants to be in Buffalo, and stay there

I'm not sure how anyone can still doubt Krebs as a prospect considering he is producing at the NHL level

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tuch actually wants to be in Buffalo, and stay there

I'm not sure how anyone can still doubt Krebs as a prospect considering he is producing at the NHL level

The returns are early, but everyone who was criticizing Adams should be re-evaluating what they thought they knew. Looks like a pretty shrewd move at the moment. A disgruntled star player with injury concerns turns into two decent players this year and a first round pick. If Vegas misses, they will still have to pay the cost of becoming cap compliant so their cost increases from there.

Despite what people are saying about the Flames now on the radio about trading this person or that person, sometimes the best moves you make are the deals you walk away from.

[mile]

Left last night’s game with an upper-body injury…

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