[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[flambers]

Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

I really don't think that's happening. Stone will be traded today. Ottawa ownership is not willing to risk losing him for nothing. That is just my thought on the matter.

Oh I agree, I would think he will be traded...

Probably will occur closer to the deadline.

[Jiggy_12]

I obviously don't know the specifics of this negotiation, but I know one thing is clear;

The Flames have the position of strength here. They want Stone, but they don't NEED Stone.

The Senators NEED to trade him. The desperation will kick in at some point, but we may have already walked in another direction by then.

Either way, the longer this takes, the more it favours Treliving and the Flames.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SmoggyFlamesFan

I really don't think that's happening. Stone will be traded today. Ottawa ownership is not willing to risk losing him for nothing. That is just my thought on the matter.

First of all I dont think anyone knows the mentality of Ottawa's Ownership.

Eugene Melnyk is a genuine crazy person.

Secondly, why not? They've lost other good assets for nothing. What makes Mark Stone so special?

I love that they're in DFL and dont even hold their own 1st. Thats gotta sting hard.

[TheScorpion]

Dorion has made some good trades. Brassard, Duchene v2, Dzingel, Lazar come to mind

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Locke

Dorion has screwed up everything hes touched so I think this is Treliving just getting out of Dorion's way.

"Okay.....Mark Stone for Prout, a Conditional 5th aaaand.....you have to have dinner with me! A nice meal!"

Banya!

Tree: OK, deal. But you have to wear a special containment suit. I don't want any stupid spilling on me.

[djsFlames]

Flames probably have been contently sitting on their offer for days. All this "they're in, they're out". Of course they're in, but only on their terms, that's Treliving. The media making the situation sound fluid is just to create clicks and views.

The only thing that will matter is what happens a couple hours from now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

...I also wonder if St. Louis might jump into the mix. They are hot right now and peaking at just the right time. Could be a real playoff dark horse.

The Blues don't have a first-round pick this year. That probably limits their ability to acquire a big piece today.

[-TC-]

Watching Stone score goals...now I really want Stone

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Tree: OK, deal. But you have to wear a special containment suit. I don't want any stupid spilling on me.

You have to wear the Bib. They give it to you for a reason.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Bunk

If Stone doesn't materialize (which seems highly likely at this point), I'm perfectly content standing pat and seeing what this group can do. We can do some damage in the off-season with the assets we have.

This is a good year to let this core group gain playoff experience, and demonstrate what they can do when it matters. Based on what happens (especially in terms of goaltending and/or this groups ability to play in a more physical context), we can adjust in the summer and chances are next year we are a truly legitimate contender (while the Sharks get one year older, and the Jets start to be mired in cap hell).

While there are no guarantees next year will be as successful, I don't think there is a need to panic.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by Locke

Dorion has screwed up everything hes touched so I think this is Treliving just getting out of Dorion's way.



"Okay.....Mark Stone for Prout, a Conditional 5th aaaand.....you have to have dinner with me! A nice meal!"



Banya!

Dorion's strikes me as the type of guy that would just keep ordering the soup and not counting it as the meal.

[AC]

@DarrenWHaynes
For what it's worth, I'm driving a vehicle today that at one point I was adamantly "out" on, while negotiating the purchase with the dealership. Was headed for the exit, that's it, not coming back...

Oh, I came back. Paid less, too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Flames probably have been contently sitting on their offer for days. All this "they're in, they're out". Of course they're in, but only on their terms, that's Treliving. The media making the situation sound fluid is just to create clicks and views...

I am guessing that the Flames stepped up an earlier offer last night and that is where the line in the sand currently exists.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

Dorion's strikes me as the type of guy that would just keep ordering the soup and not counting it as the meal.

Dorian strikes me as a guy that can be bullied into taking a deal from Treliving and maybe his lunch money.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Locke

First of all I dont think anyone knows the mentality of Ottawa's Ownership.

Eugene Melnyk is a genuine crazy person.

Secondly, why not? They've lost other good assets for nothing. What makes Mark Stone so special?

I love that they're in DFL and dont even hold their own 1st. Thats gotta sting hard.

It is an assumption, you're right. Judging from the moves Ottawa has made earlier, PD is mandated to secure the highest possible returns for Duchene, Dzingle and Stone. To have no return and lose Stone in UFA is a massive failure, and puts Dorion on the hot seat going forward. Terrible asset management.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Dorion has made some good trades. Brassard, Duchene v2, Dzingel, Lazar come to mind

I noticed on the game last night when they listed his trades, they listed all outgoing players. Trades aren’t defined by what they get, it’s by what they gave up. Ouch

[Stud_McCool]

Watch the Oilers swoop in and offer their two 1st rounders for Mark Stone because they think they're smarter than everyone.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

Watch the Oilers swoop in and offer their two 1st rounders for Mark Stone because they think they're smarter than everyone.

I know you're joking, but a top line of

Drysaddle McElbow Stone

would be the best line in the league, and be more than good enough to see them start climbing back in the standings.

[Makarov]

Surprised that we haven't really seen any smoke re Stone today. NO "Team X going hard after Stone" or "Team Y closing in on Stone" type tweets/comments from panel.

[djmichaelk]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

Watch the Oilers swoop in and offer their two 1st rounders for Mark Stone because they think they're smarter than everyone.

Yea right and as if he will sign there in the summer lol we will still get him in July.