Rumor: Flames to Have New 3rd Jersey Next Year

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You can honor and respect our "western heritage" without putting a cowboy hat or a horse on a jersey.

I'm really not sure why a hat has anything to do with western hospitality.

The White Hats? Pretty much a symbol of hospitality in Calgary forever.

http://www.visitcalgary.com/maps-too...tory-white-hat

I agree in that I don't like the Calgary Cowboys jersey idea but am a fan of the Calgary Flag being the main logo on a third jersey. Maybe even for a limited time proceeds from jersey sales can go to red cross for Southern Alberta flood relief.

Put an all white flaming C as the shoulder patch, and call it a day.

[_Q_]

Cowboy culture = good... and I'm not even white.

Think of it this way.
Vancouver = Pacific Northwest native culture.
Calgary = Cowboy culture.
Montreal = French Canadian culture.
Toronto and Edmonton = ????

As soon as we get away from our identity, we turn into a generic, boring city with no culture. Not saying every building or art display in the city has to incorporate a cowboy hat, saddle or horse, but there's nothing wrong with embracing the western culture either.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by _q_

toronto = narcissistic culture
edmonton = sweatpants/mullet culture

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[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

From what? Being like Toronto?

From being a city with a far broader appeal than simply what is mass marketed as the "identity" of this city due to a fair in July. It would be great to market this city in a way that goes beyond that -- because there are other great things about Calgary, and cool things going on.


Nothing wrong with paying tribute to some of the western culture identity but it goes overboard sometimes. Why not make Harvey the hound into harvey the horse?


Anyways Calgary's idenitity is probably a debate for another thread, but I see no reason why the Flames have to pay tribute to western culture on their jersey.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Igottago

From being a city with a far broader appeal than simply what is mass marketed as the "identity" of this city due to a fair in July. It would be great to market this city in a way that goes beyond that -- because there are other great things about Calgary, and cool things going on.


Nothing wrong with paying tribute to some of the western culture identity but it goes overboard sometimes. Why not make Harvey the hound into harvey the horse?


Anyways Calgary's idenitity is probably a debate for another thread, but I see no reason why the Flames have to pay tribute to western culture on their jersey.

I think you're the one going overboard. Some are just simply suggesting Flames use the Calgary flag to reflect our city heritage, which makes sense since that's a symbolic identity for the city. We're not demanding all roads have their pavement removed and we all go around in horse carriages. Plus, the only time this city truly embraces it's western heritage is for two weeks in July every year. Any other time of the year it behaves just like any other city.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I think you're the one going overboard. Some are just simply suggesting Flames use the Calgary flag to reflect our city heritage, which makes sense since that's a symbolic identity for the city. We're not demanding all roads have their pavement removed and we all go around in horse carriages. Plus, the only time this city truly embraces it's western heritage is for two weeks in July every year. Any other time of the year it behaves just like any other city.

I disagree with that. I went to a local art gallery for a charity event last week and 90% of the pieces were of horses.

I don't like the white hat idea. I think its predictable and boring and would look horrible on a jersey. Frankly just don't mess with the logo. If you want to honour any tradition, honour having one of the best logos in the league and don't mess with it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I disagree with that. I went to a local art gallery for a charity event last week and 90% of the pieces were of horses.

I don't like the white hat idea. I think its predictable and boring and would look horrible on a jersey. Frankly just don't mess with the logo. If you want to honour any tradition, honour having one of the best logos in the league and don't mess with it.

I don't like the white hat jersey either, don't think we should be celebrating a failed WHA team that was in Calgary 40 years ago.

The City of Calgary flag on the other hand is a great idea, since it celebrates the city.

That flag on a jersey, all white flaming C shoulder patches (or vice versa) and proceeds of sales from the jerseys in the 2013-2014 season going to the red cross and Calgary Flood relief and you have a winner.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I disagree with that. I went to a local art gallery for a charity event last week and 90% of the pieces were of horses.

I don't like the white hat idea. I think its predictable and boring and would look horrible on a jersey. Frankly just don't mess with the logo. If you want to honour any tradition, honour having one of the best logos in the league and don't mess with it.

I don't think art galleries make a habit of stocking pieces that people don't want to see or purchase. The fact that galleries in Calgary continue to stock western pieces, and presumably sell them, speaks volumes to what the people who live there, or even visit, identify with.

I also find it funny when these talks of tradition and such involving a team name that has absolutely no tie to Calgary, and was imported from Atlanta, come up.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

So integrate the Flaming 'C' somehow with the hat.

No one calls the Canucks the "Orcas" when they have it on their jersey. The cowboy hat part of our western heritage and history. SuperMatt18 put it quite well.

agreed... although FAIL WHALE has an awesome ring to it and is regularly used... at least be me anyways!

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

What stigma? It's called heritage and history. The Stampede and city just celebrated 101 years.

You don't think people view Calgary as a hick town?

I'm not wearing blinders here.

Heritage and history? OK fine. Should we start bringing back horse drawn buggies?

PS: can we just see the darn jersey already and end this foolish game. Waiting seems like a mistake. How can that help sales?

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by getbak

Like the city flag?

That could also look great with the hat removed and a little flame inserted in its place.

Not to mention it would quiet the "hates anything to do with cowboys" crowd.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't like the white hat jersey either, don't think we should be celebrating a failed WHA team that was in Calgary 40 years ago.

It wasn't so much that the Calgary Cowboys failed, it was a failure of Jim Pattison (owner of the Cowboys, he may have been the head of an ownership group) to secure federal and provincial commitments/funds to build an NHL calibre arena.

If shovels got into the ground in 1976, the Cowboys would certainly have been apart of the WHA-NHL "merger" in 1979. Maybe there would have even been a chance that Skalbania may have sold Gretzky to us instead of Pocklington...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

You don't think people view Calgary as a hick town?

I'm not wearing blinders here.

Heritage and history? OK fine. Should we start bringing back horse drawn buggies?

PS: can we just see the darn jersey already and end this foolish game. Waiting seems like a mistake. How can that help sales?

Think it is a counterfitting issue.

Don't think the Flames were fond of seeing hundreds of "McDonald's" Heritage Classic jerseys that were obviously fake around the dome. (Hell it annoys me and I don't even have any money tied to it)

Don't release it until the jerseys are in-stores and ready to sell.

Team Canada attempted a similar approach. Delaying the announcement of the jerseys until they will be available in-store. I can confirm that Team Canada jerseys have arrived in retail locations with strict guidelines that the boxes are not to be open until the specified date.

[chalms04]

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[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yeah, because we don't get hit over the head with that stuff all the time anyways.

Calgary is actually much, much more than just horses and cowboy hats, and everything "western". The sooner people embrace that, the better off this city will be. I hate that so many people want to pigeonhole the city and all its citizens into that identity. It holds the city back.

I, for the record dislike the idea of a Calgary Flag jersey or the western mock ups we've seen on here so far. I wouldn't be against the Flames incorprating some sort of a western feel to their jersey if done right though.

But as someone else answered, exactly what does the "Western" image of that this city perpertuates "hold us back" from? I can't think of a single thing it prevents for the city of Calgary or it's citizens. In fact, the western image of this city factually "creates" benefits for this city, not because the image in infact is "western", but because this city actually has an identifiable image (manufactured or legitimate, doesn't matter) that many of the citizens and more importantly outsiders embrace. Tones of economic benefit and therefore opportunities created for this city and it's people through that image, which is the exact opposite of being "held back".

[starseed]

I really like the Calgary flag idea. Nice mockup!

After living in Toronto for a couple years, I finally see what the Toronto identity is... It is the successful multicultural mosaic. A huge city made up of many pockets of different cultures.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by starseed

I really like the Calgary flag idea. Nice mockup!

After living in Toronto for a couple years, I finally see what the Toronto identity is... It is the successful multicultural mosaic. A huge city made up of many pockets of different cultures.

Lame! Every North American city with nothing going for it claims that to be their identity.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by starseed

After living in Toronto for a couple years, I finally see what the Toronto identity is... It is the successful multicultural mosaic. A huge city made up of many pockets of different cultures.

Originally Posted by _Q_

Lame! Every North American city with nothing going for it claims that to be their identity.

Literally, every city. Especially every Canadian city.

[starseed]

That is exactly how I felt initially. I kinda felt that this city was a little soulless, bit now I get it. Every other city can claim to be multicultural, but I have not ever been to one that comes close to what exists in Toronto. It kinda seems difficult to see the forest for the trees, but coming back to Calgary this summer made it sink in. It has taken me two years, but I think I get it now.

Calgary is still #1 in overall quality, mind you.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Using the Calgary flag jersey as an alternate would be pretty sweet. They work as a different jersey from the primaries, has meaning to the city, and most importantly, is simple/nice. I would actually be tempted to buy those.

Colorado did something like that, also.