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Street Pharmacist · 02-23-2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Would ten extra pounds have made a difference?

Nope. How many small guys hit the IR? How many big guys?

(I'm agreeing, not arguing)

Rerun · 02-23-2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Would ten extra pounds have made a difference?

Maybe not in that instance but it might in others.

Rerun · 02-23-2015, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Nope. How many small guys hit the IR? How many big guys?

(I'm agreeing, not arguing)

Well considering the average height and weight in the NHL is 6'1" and 202 lbs I would think the odds are that there are more big guys on IR than small guys.

Street Pharmacist · 02-23-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Well considering the average height and weight in the NHL is 6'1" and 202 lbs I would think the odds are that there are more big guys on IR than small guys.

I would go further. I would bet money more guys over league average size get hurt than guys below average size

Rerun · 02-23-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I would go further. I would bet money more guys over league average size get hurt than guys below average size

In hockey there's statistics for almost everything. I wonder if there's a statistic for this?

MrMastodonFarm · 02-23-2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Maybe not in that instance but it might in others.

If you're making the case to add pounds to be faster then I get it, but if you're going to bring up instances like some meat head taking cheap shots then you've lost the plot.

Like an player Gaudreau is going to be hit, sometimes in a cheap way. Maybe it happens moreso because of his talent.. But ten pounds isn't going to change that. Part of Johnny's game is built upon avoiding damage but he can't avoid it all. And I really don't see how ten pounds will change that.

Rerun · 02-23-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I would go further. I would bet money more guys over league average size get hurt than guys below average size

Also.. say you're right. Is this because bigger guys tend to play a rougher style of game and therefore are more susceptible to injury and smaller guys do the opposite?

And who gets injured more severely and is out longer?

Rerun · 02-23-2015, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If you're making the case to add pounds to be faster then I get it, but if you're going to bring up instances like some meat head taking cheap shots then you've lost the plot.

Like an player Gaudreau is going to be hit, sometimes in a cheap way. Maybe it happens moreso because of his talent.. But ten pounds isn't going to change that. Part of Johnny's game is built upon avoiding damage but he can't avoid it all. And I really don't see how ten pounds will change that.

Not necessarily the cheap shots.. those will probably hurt you severely no matter how much you weigh. I'm primarily talking about the wear and tear of playing an 82 game season against opponents whose average weight is 202 lbs. Now I know gaining an extra 10 lbs won't be the end all cure and solution but every little bit helps (IMO).

Phanuthier · 02-23-2015, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Also.. say you're right. Is this because bigger guys tend to play a rougher style of game and therefore are more susceptible to injury and smaller guys do the opposite?

And who gets injured more severely and is out longer?

Someone in the field might know this better than me, but guys who are bigger usually have a slower metabolism and somehow I believe that affects things such as amount of energy needed to respond (i.e. avoiding a hit) that actually affects response time. As well, because more calories are needed to fuel 10 extra lbs of muscle, that also affects recovery. How this affects hockey players, I don't know but throwing this out there in case someone knows more and can explain it.

Street Pharmacist · 02-23-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Also.. say you're right. Is this because bigger guys tend to play a rougher style of game and therefore are more susceptible to injury and smaller guys do the opposite?

And who gets injured more severely and is out longer?

That's exactly my theory. Small guys like Gaudreau don't grind it out in the trenches. That's where a lot of those injuries happen.

Kane is small, Toews is bigger. I'd bet Toews gets hurt more simply for to play style.

If we're talking getting "crunched" by a big guy, what is 15lbs going to do? A big hit is a big hit and size didn't really affect injury anywhere near as much as being compact and ready when getting hit. In the end, I'll take a player Johnny's size with awareness vs a bigger guy when it comes to injury. Look at what just happened to Gadzic

indes · 02-23-2015, 08:57 PM

I really hope the flames hire a professional to deal with this serious issue. Maybe they could have a couple people working on it! Like coaches and dietitians and even doctors to check on him during the season. They should check all the players out and give them maintenance days if they need them I think. If they do ever hire such people I really hope they just use arbitrary numbers like "10 more pounds" it would be such an easy job!

GioforPM · 02-23-2015, 10:24 PM

Don't think the size/strength argument (which I'm not taking sides on) has as much to do with injury as it does simply with being pushed off of the puck or squeezed on the boards.

I think he will naturally gain some size and strength by spending another offseason with the Flames coaches. I don't think it will be a big issue going forward. He will be a little guy with the ability to adapt, like always.

Jay Random · 02-23-2015, 10:39 PM

Getting squeezed on the boards shouldn't be an issue anyway, if Gaudreau is playing his own game. For him to be effective on the boards, he needs to be the last man in, picking the other guy's pocket. If he gets caught along the boards with the puck himself, he's made a mistake.

GioforPM · 02-23-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Getting squeezed on the boards shouldn't be an issue anyway, if Gaudreau is playing his own game. For him to be effective on the boards, he needs to be the last man in, picking the other guy's pocket. If he gets caught along the boards with the puck himself, he's made a mistake.

Agreed that it's not his game. But it'll happen, even without a mistake, if his line mates are late to the play or covered. It's more often when he has the puck and gets hemmed in (rare but it happens). Anyway, I agree that 150 v. 160-165 isn't going to make a huge difference.

They are playing him a lost closer now, but like I said, he's going to adapt. He always has. This bit of a break before the roadie might help as well.

CroFlames · 02-23-2015, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That's exactly my theory. Small guys like Gaudreau don't grind it out in the trenches. That's where a lot of those injuries happen.

Kane is small, Toews is bigger. I'd bet Toews gets hurt more simply for to play style.

If we're talking getting "crunched" by a big guy, what is 15lbs going to do? A big hit is a big hit and size didn't really affect injury anywhere near as much as being compact and ready when getting hit. In the end, I'll take a player Johnny's size with awareness vs a bigger guy when it comes to injury. Look at what just happened to Gadzic

I had a guy saying to me once after watching Johnny live that he's afraid Johnny is just gonna get creamed one of these days.

My response is a big guy can get rocked just as easily as a little guy (see: Gazdic, Luke). In fact, a big guy probably gets rocked even easier than a little guy since they are generally less agile.

If Johnny was even 25lbs bigger, would that shield him from injury from a huge hit? Not in my opinion.

Like any young player, he needs to work on his strength, and continue doing what his coaches tell him.

Diemenz · 02-24-2015, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

You mean 3" taller. Jg is 5'9"

Sure he is.

FlameZilla · 02-24-2015, 12:33 AM

Johnny has played 2/3s of a NHL season and has not only survived but thrived.

You would think we could finally put the 'if only he was bigger' discussion to bed.

FlameZilla · 02-24-2015, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

I had a guy saying to me once after watching Johnny live that he's afraid Johnny is just gonna get creamed one of these days.

My response is a big guy can get rocked just as easily as a little guy (see: Gazdic, Luke). In fact, a big guy probably gets rocked even easier than a little guy since they are generally less agile.

If Johnny was even 25lbs bigger, would that shield him from injury from a huge hit? Not in my opinion.

Like any young player, he needs to work on his strength, and continue doing what his coaches tell him.

I wonder if anyone has ever heard the expression 'the bigger they are the harder they fall'?

Textcritic · 02-24-2015, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

You mean 3" taller. Jg is 5'9" . I don't think that a few pounds more is going to hurt him.

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Originally Posted by Diemenz

Sure he is.

More to this point, I believe that Bennett has also grown an inch since the draft. I think he is 6'1" now, no?

Textcritic · 02-24-2015, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Actually my original post on this subject was that I hope he can put on 10 lbs over the summer....

... and then all hell broke loose.

The reason for that being likely that there are a number of posters who find this idea fairly preposterous. An additional 10 lbs on Gaudreau's frame is actually A LOT of extra weight and size to pack on over a short period of time. It might happen over the course of the next few years as Gaudreau matures, but that is way too much too soon.