Because it's Tony Abbott, I can pretty much guarantee this is more about wanting to stiff the poor than it is any kind moral or philosophical battle against anti-vaxxers.
Because it's Tony Abbott, I can pretty much guarantee this is more about wanting to stiff the poor than it is any kind moral or philosophical battle against anti-vaxxers.
The article saying that it impacts "welfare recipients" is not accurate. It is the recipients of childcare benefits, which the middle and upper class are actually the biggest recipients of in Australia (and also have the higher % of non-compliance with respect to vaccination).
Important points from /u/IAmAussieAMA:
- Vaccination rates for FTB payment recipients in Australia are extremely high (97%), and further, the FTB supplement in question is only $726.35 per year.
- The real target of this policy is the middle and upper-middle class recipients (groups to which many anti-vaxxers belong) that receive the child care rebate and the child care benefit (payments that can reach $15,000 per child per year for families whose children attend full time child care). These are families that earn much more than FTB families, as 1. they need to use childcare (both parents probably work) and 2. they can afford the total costs of child care in order to receive a rebate.
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Typical dumb take.
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And another study can find no connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.
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In a study of 95,000 children, researchers were unable to find any association between the measles, mumps rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. The researchers also examined whether each child had a family history of autism; even for children within this high-risk category, they found no association between MMR and autism.
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This study should really put an end to ANY debate on the MMR vaccine causing ASD claims. The researchers really did a good study that I would encourage everyone to read over. From the paper:
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"A retrospective cohort study using an administrative claims database associated with a large commercial health plan. Participants included children continuously enrolled in the health plan from birth to at least 5 years of age during 2001-2012 who also had an older sibling continuously enrolled for at least 6 months between 1997 and 2012...In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD."
So this whole MMR debate really got started with the Wakefield paper in which he used only 12 children, versus this paper which randomized 95,000 children over a 10 year period!
I don't think this will change anything though as the anti-vax crowd will just brush this off as another government funded cover up. The deniers will only dig in more and fight back harder.
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I don't think this will change anything though as the anti-vax crowd will just brush this off as another government funded cover up. The deniers will only dig in more and fight back harder.
Yep. They don't want to learn about science and you can be damn sure they don't want to learn about how people get grants to do their research. A government gives money to pursue good ideas. They do not control the direction of the research nor do they have any control or review of the findings. Journals are slowly learning that people don't understand this though and like in this case there is the legal disclaimer:
Disclaimer: The authors are solely responsible for the design, conduct, data analyses, and drafting and editing of the manuscript and its final content. The contents of this article do not represent the views of the National Institute of Mental Health or the federal government.
Of course that disclaimer won't mean anything to them either because, you know, cover-up.
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The federal health minister, Sussan Ley, has described as “repulsive” and “off the planet” suggestions by an anti-vaccination group that the government’s immunisation policy was akin to rape.
A Facebook page run by the Australian Vaccination Skeptics Network responded to the recent government announcement that religious exemptions for vaccinations would end, and that child welfare payments would cease to parents who did not vaccinate, by posting an image explicitly comparing vaccination to rape.
It showed a man grabbing a woman from behind and covering her mouth with his hand, along with the caption: “Forced penetration. Really - no big deal, if it’s just a vaccination needle, and he’s a doctor.”
Image is in the article but it's not really safe for work and should definitely come with a trigger warning.
Bump for hilarity, i'm sure his publicist is freaking out right now.
Jim Carrey@JimCarrey 1m
I am not anti-vaccine. I am anti-thimerosal, anti-mercury. They have taken some of the mercury laden thimerosal out of vaccines. NOT ALL!
Jim Carrey@JimCarrey 1h They say mercury in fish is dangerous but forcing all of our children to be injected with mercury in thimerosol is no risk. Make sense?
Jim Carrey@JimCarrey 2h
California Gov says yes to poisoning more children with mercury and aluminum in manditory vaccines. This corporate fascist must be stopped.
Bump for hilarity, i'm sure his publicist is freaking out right now.
Jim Carrey@JimCarrey 1m
I am not anti-vaccine. I am anti-thimerosal, anti-mercury. They have taken some of the mercury laden thimerosal out of vaccines. NOT ALL!
Jim Carrey@JimCarrey 1h They say mercury in fish is dangerous but forcing all of our children to be injected with mercury in thimerosol is no risk. Make sense?
Jim Carrey@JimCarrey 2h
California Gov says yes to poisoning more children with mercury and aluminum in manditory vaccines. This corporate fascist must be stopped.
Ha ha. Jerry Brown is a "corporate fascist". I'm sure everyone who has called him a hippie in the last 40 years must be scratching their heads.
I watched Jim Carrey on "Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee" and he brought his own eye-dropper of sweetener for the organic hot water (it may have been tea).
He just came across as an insufferable prick. "I'm on the 20th day of my cleanse, it's incredible", psychobabbling about 'truth', the food wasn't good enough for him, and then of course at the end they have to visit his special place -- the painting studio. UGH.
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On one of link-sharing website Reddit’s more interesting subsections, people from around the world come to ask about legal advice from their fellow Redditors. Often this includes issues with divorce, or lawsuits, or civil rights infringements, and usually the crack team of armchair legal experts (and more than a few real lawyers) are there to help. Occasionally, however, someone asks a question that is so baffling that constructive help is just not possible. Meet the anti-vaxxer mom who wants to sue, well, just about everybody, because her teenage daughter got her vaccinations.
Paul Offit, an American pediatrician and vaccine researcher, wrote an interesting chapter in "Do you believe in magic," about the understandable link that most parents create between vaccines and autism. Basically, we sort of know that autism may be caused by congenital defects in the brain, most of which exhibit themselves at two years old. This explains the "shutting off" effect that most parents report on their autistic children. Vaccines schedules start at around the same time.
I do not blame these parents. I blame the charlatans, and scum that invite them on the anti-vaxx ship of fools.
For all of this, I am far more hesitant to allow government to coerce parents to vaccinate their children, and punish them if they refuse. The problem is communication, and it is a battle that will take some time.
