Generally speaking, yes, and also I'm no expert, nor do I have any idea how Ukraine is planning to move forward, so what do I know.
It just doesn't sound very useful.
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Just in general, I'm really worried that it might be impossible for Ukraine to advance meaningfully, considering the amount of equipment they have, and the amount of time Russia has had to fortify their current positions. I fear that they will end up wasting lives on futile attacks out of misguided principle
Generally speaking, yes, and also I'm no expert, nor do I have any idea how Ukraine is planning to move forward, so what do I know.
It just doesn't sound very useful.
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Just in general, I'm really worried that it might be impossible for Ukraine to advance meaningfully, considering the amount of equipment they have, and the amount of time Russia has had to fortify their current positions. I fear that they will end up wasting lives on futile attacks out of misguided principle
(But again, I'm no expert.)
Potentially
But Russia has a big front to cover, I read where one Talking Head thinks it will be a push from the North & West to Mariupol.
Time will tell, but if Ukraine continues with a “Western Approach” to war, one breakthrough is all that is needed sometimes.
Time will tell, but Ukraine has lots of Western minds working with them as well.
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- On the afternoon of April 26, Chinese President Xi Jinping had a scheduled phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. They exchanged views on China-Ukraine relations and the Ukrainian crisis.
- Xi Jinping noted that China-Ukraine relations have developed over the past 31 years, reaching the level of a strategic partnership, which has aided the development and revitalization of both nations. He appreciated President Zelensky's repeated emphasis on developing China-Ukraine relations and cooperation with China, and thanked Ukraine for its assistance in evacuating Chinese citizens last year.
- Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is the political foundation of China-Ukraine relations. Both sides should look to the future, plan their relations from a long-term perspective, and continue the tradition of mutual respect and sincerity. China's desire to develop China-Ukraine relations is consistent and clear, and it wishes to promote mutually beneficial cooperation regardless of international changes.
- Xi Jinping noted that the Ukraine crisis has evolved in complexity and had significant impacts on the international situation. China's position on the Ukraine crisis is always on the side of peace, advocating for reconciliation and talks. China has proposed several key principles and also released a document titled "China's Position on the Political Resolution of the Ukraine Crisis". China is neither the creator nor a party to the Ukraine crisis. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council and a responsible major country, China will not stand by idly, add fuel to the fire, nor take advantage of the situation.
- Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable way out. Nuclear war has no winners. All parties should maintain calm and restraint on nuclear issues, and manage the crisis together. China will continue to advocate for peace and talks, and will send a special representative for Eurasian affairs to visit Ukraine to facilitate deep communication on politically resolving the Ukraine crisis. China has provided several batches of humanitarian aid to Ukraine and is willing to continue offering help.
- President Zelensky congratulated Xi Jinping on his re-election, praised China's extraordinary achievements, and expressed confidence in China's ability to successfully tackle various challenges under Xi's leadership. Ukraine adheres to the one-China policy, hopes to carry out comprehensive cooperation with China, open a new chapter in Ukraine-China relations, and jointly maintain world peace and stability. Zelensky expressed his views on the current Ukraine crisis, thanked China for its humanitarian aid, and welcomed China's significant role in restoring peace and resolving the crisis through diplomatic means.
- On the afternoon of April 26, Chinese President Xi Jinping had a scheduled phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. They exchanged views on China-Ukraine relations and the Ukrainian crisis.
- Xi Jinping noted that China-Ukraine relations have developed over the past 31 years, reaching the level of a strategic partnership, which has aided the development and revitalization of both nations. He appreciated President Zelensky's repeated emphasis on developing China-Ukraine relations and cooperation with China, and thanked Ukraine for its assistance in evacuating Chinese citizens last year.
- Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is the political foundation of China-Ukraine relations. Both sides should look to the future, plan their relations from a long-term perspective, and continue the tradition of mutual respect and sincerity. China's desire to develop China-Ukraine relations is consistent and clear, and it wishes to promote mutually beneficial cooperation regardless of international changes.
- Xi Jinping noted that the Ukraine crisis has evolved in complexity and had significant impacts on the international situation. China's position on the Ukraine crisis is always on the side of peace, advocating for reconciliation and talks. China has proposed several key principles and also released a document titled "China's Position on the Political Resolution of the Ukraine Crisis". China is neither the creator nor a party to the Ukraine crisis. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council and a responsible major country, China will not stand by idly, add fuel to the fire, nor take advantage of the situation.
- Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable way out. Nuclear war has no winners. All parties should maintain calm and restraint on nuclear issues, and manage the crisis together. China will continue to advocate for peace and talks, and will send a special representative for Eurasian affairs to visit Ukraine to facilitate deep communication on politically resolving the Ukraine crisis. China has provided several batches of humanitarian aid to Ukraine and is willing to continue offering help.
- President Zelensky congratulated Xi Jinping on his re-election, praised China's extraordinary achievements, and expressed confidence in China's ability to successfully tackle various challenges under Xi's leadership. Ukraine adheres to the one-China policy, hopes to carry out comprehensive cooperation with China, open a new chapter in Ukraine-China relations, and jointly maintain world peace and stability. Zelensky expressed his views on the current Ukraine crisis, thanked China for its humanitarian aid, and welcomed China's significant role in restoring peace and resolving the crisis through diplomatic means.
The term really has a "victim blaming" vibe, but is anyone surprised by Chinese Government's stupidity?
I'm also a fan of the "will not take advantage of the situation" part. I guess the $20 discount on each barrel of oil is just another sacrifice for peace.
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I didn't know that Ukraine adheres to the one-China policy.
That's disappointing.
Ukraine is in no position to be able to piss off China in any way. If they can end the war, join NATO, and finally experience some peace and stability for awhile then we can talk about their broader international politics. But for right now I don't fault them one bit
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I didn't know that Ukraine adheres to the one-China policy.
That's disappointing.
Only 13 countries officially recognize Taiwan. Most people can't name correctly a single country that does.
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Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Tuvalu, Eswatini, Vatican City, Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.
About 60 states have even unofficial relationships.
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Only 13 countries officially recognize Taiwan. Most people can't name correctly a single country that does.
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Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Tuvalu, Eswatini, Vatican City, Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.
About 60 states have even unofficial relationships.
Don't tell me what I do and don't know about normalized relations between Taiwan and Saint Kitts and Nevis!
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Only 13 countries officially recognize Taiwan. Most people can't name correctly a single country that does.
Spoiler!
Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Tuvalu, Eswatini, Vatican City, Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.
About 60 states have even unofficial relationships.
Most of those "countries" will be underwater by 2050.
- On the afternoon of April 26, Chinese President Xi Jinping had a scheduled phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. They exchanged views on China-Ukraine relations and the Ukrainian crisis.
- Xi Jinping noted that China-Ukraine relations have developed over the past 31 years, reaching the level of a strategic partnership, which has aided the development and revitalization of both nations. He appreciated President Zelensky's repeated emphasis on developing China-Ukraine relations and cooperation with China, and thanked Ukraine for its assistance in evacuating Chinese citizens last year.
- Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is the political foundation of China-Ukraine relations. Both sides should look to the future, plan their relations from a long-term perspective, and continue the tradition of mutual respect and sincerity. China's desire to develop China-Ukraine relations is consistent and clear, and it wishes to promote mutually beneficial cooperation regardless of international changes.
- Xi Jinping noted that the Ukraine crisis has evolved in complexity and had significant impacts on the international situation. China's position on the Ukraine crisis is always on the side of peace, advocating for reconciliation and talks. China has proposed several key principles and also released a document titled "China's Position on the Political Resolution of the Ukraine Crisis". China is neither the creator nor a party to the Ukraine crisis. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council and a responsible major country, China will not stand by idly, add fuel to the fire, nor take advantage of the situation.
- Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable way out. Nuclear war has no winners. All parties should maintain calm and restraint on nuclear issues, and manage the crisis together. China will continue to advocate for peace and talks, and will send a special representative for Eurasian affairs to visit Ukraine to facilitate deep communication on politically resolving the Ukraine crisis. China has provided several batches of humanitarian aid to Ukraine and is willing to continue offering help.
- President Zelensky congratulated Xi Jinping on his re-election, praised China's extraordinary achievements, and expressed confidence in China's ability to successfully tackle various challenges under Xi's leadership. Ukraine adheres to the one-China policy, hopes to carry out comprehensive cooperation with China, open a new chapter in Ukraine-China relations, and jointly maintain world peace and stability. Zelensky expressed his views on the current Ukraine crisis, thanked China for its humanitarian aid, and welcomed China's significant role in restoring peace and resolving the crisis through diplomatic means.
Dialogue between the two leaders is a good thing and attempts to end the war is very positive for me. The faster it ends, the sooner the loss of innocent lives in Ukraine ends. Hoping this is the start to a cease fire and eventual end with Ukraine, Russia, China and France as the big players involved in the agreement.
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Russia has apparently drafted state owned oil producer Gazprom employees to fight in Ukraine as their own PMC. Nothing says victory like drafting your oilfield employees to become front line soldiers.
Hopefully Ukraine can convert this into more sympathy from China. China has the ability to make things a lot harder for Russia if they feel inclined. China actually had decent relations with Ukraine before the war, and I think Chinese leaders are pretty irritated that Russia disrupted the status quo and couldn't finish this quickly. If things keep dragging on, it's conceivable that China starts to realize that it might be quicker to get back to normal if the Putin regime falls.
I am curious how average Chinese view the war and if they buy into Russia's claims of Nazis. or if they even think about it much at all.
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