2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

The Hronek trade is a great comparable for Andersson

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Andersson is not that young, as a team trading for him will have him for two years, and then would likely need to extend him for 8 years to keep him. Very few posters here would want to commit 8 years to him. It would be different if Andersson was coming to the end of his first contract and had a long runway ahead of him.

Getting a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th would be a huge haul and better than what the Flames will eventually get IMO.

If 2nds and beyond are such low value in your eyes, I assume you think we should be trading all our picks past the first round for existing players?

IIRC, Andersson himself was a 2nd round pick.

I didn't say 2nds were low value, I said they more then often never pan out statistically. The Flames just had a draft for the ages, the prospect cupboard is full. What we need is someone who can play down the middle now, we don't really need a bunch of more prospects that don't have for sure upside. That deal is bad asset management for the teams needs imo.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Major Major

This team will be rebuilt on pick volume. Conroy is a pure scout. Let him cook.

It's been done. The team either needs top 10 picks or a high end prospect. They don't need pick volume at this point and not at the expense of a top pairing D man.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's been done. The team either needs top 10 picks or a high end prospect. They don't need pick volume at this point and not at the expense of a top pairing D man.

High end prospects of the quality the Flames need won't get acquired through trading Andersson.

Trade Andersson for that haul of picks, and they get those picks + the added value to the Flames own 1st round pick (because the team will be worse) - which is pretty much the only way they'll get to acquire the quality of prospect you're talking about.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, the Flames made 10 picks this year, and will likely make at least 10 picks next year (and probably another 9 or 10 the year after). They also added Brzustewicz, Grushnikov, Bahl, Miromanov in trade, this past year.

If/when they trade Andersson, I want quality over quantity.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Major Major

This team will be rebuilt on pick volume. Conroy is a pure scout. Let him cook.

Yeah I think comments like magic beans are over stated.

We have a pretty established value system for draft picks. So make a deal that returns max value and then manage the new assets the same way.

Similarly I don't look at a trade as better or worse by how the draft picks turn out. Acquiring a deep asset package is a win, then it's on the scouts, but that's a different assessment.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

High end prospects of the quality the Flames need won't get acquired through trading Andersson.

Trade Andersson for that haul of picks, and they get those picks + the added value to the Flames own 1st round pick (because the team will be worse) - which is pretty much the only way they'll get to acquire the quality of prospect you're talking about.

And you know the Flames can't get a young top 6 centre for Andersson how? Do you have an ongoing conversation with 31 other GM's in the league? Do you remember what the cost was to move up even 4 spots in the last draft? Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a later first plus a bunch of lower picks, that's been established. If the Flames trade Andersson they should be looking to get back a top 6 C that still has upside but is a safer bet than a bunch of magic beans. A player like Shane Pinto is a good example.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The thing is we do need pick volume. This team has shown when the scouts are allowed to cook they can find very good players in later rounds.

Also no guarantee that a top 5 pick turns into a star. Could be the 4th rounder.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don’t know that LA should be considered the front-runner for Andersson. Blake is likely on a short leash these days, and might not have the latitude to trade away a bonanza of picks for a #3 D. But maybe the whole Kings franchise will be in desperation mode this season.

CAR seems a more likely suitor. They place a premium on cost-certainty, and their blue line was seriously weakened this offseason. Return might be something along the lines of Nadeau or Blake + 1st + 3rd. But I wouldn’t expect anything to shake out until after Christmas.

He’s probably on thin ice. He probably should have been fired actually.

He turned really good young players and now he has Darcy Kuemper to show for it.

Also read that it was so bad with PLD that he had to get on the ice and push him around lol.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And you know the Flames can't get a young top 6 centre for Andersson how? Do you have an ongoing conversation with 31 other GM's in the league? Do you remember what the cost was to move up even 4 spots in the last draft? Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a later first plus a bunch of lower picks, that's been established. If the Flames trade Andersson they should be looking to get back a top 6 C that still has upside but is a safer bet than a bunch of magic beans. A player like Shane Pinto is a good example.

Go back and look at recent trade history.

Chychrun -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Hamilton -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Hamonic -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Lindholm -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd + low end prospects

I have market history on my side.

Shane Pinto is who you choose to cite as a top-end young centre?

23 years old, 140 games, 70 points, with his best season being 35 points in 82 games. You're willing to pay a premium for a player like him rather than a haul of picks? That's crazy in my eyes. Pinto is a former 2nd (32nd overall in 2019) - he's far from being a special player. He's a good player, but not the level of player that this team lacks.

The idea of trading Andersson for picks or non-roster prospects is also to maximize the Flames own 1st round pick alongside the assets returned in the deal. Trading Andersson for no immediate help = Flames do worse this season, and have a better chance at drafting top-3 which is what they desperately need - and of course the volume found in the actual return from Andersson. The Flames need high end elite prospects as you said - and Shane Pinto certainly is not that. Trading Andersson for Pinto is a hell of a way to rush this team back to the mediocrity it is (or should be) trying to escape.

Your risk tolerance is entirely too low.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We have our Shane Pinto types. Rather take the picks. Picks have more value. Especially at the draft if you want to move up.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

If it's this juicy a deal? You absolutely take it.

Trading in division means nothing, not like the Flames would be in any window of contention for the remainder of Anderssons term any way so if he wants a couple revenge games, he is welcome to do it.

Agreed, since the Flames traded Lindholm to the Canucks & Hanifin to the Knights

Clearly if the Flames made a move, they would trade him to the best offer

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The thing is we do need pick volume. This team has shown when the scouts are allowed to cook they can find very good players in later rounds.

Also no guarantee that a top 5 pick turns into a star. Could be the 4th rounder.

You want as many cracks at a star as you can get. Even if the later picks are low odds, you really only need to hit on one to two max in the late rounds.

If you get a star, you win the lottery. But even if you got some support or depth guys on the cheap it lets you maintain a competitive roster on the cheap.

Take the picks. You don't need half cooked prospects from other teams.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

You want as many cracks at a star as you can get. Even if the later picks are low odds, you really only need to hit on one to two max in the late rounds.

If you get a star, you win the lottery. But even if you got some support or depth guys on the cheap it lets you maintain a competitive roster on the cheap.

Take the picks. You don't need half cooked prospects from other teams.

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We need star players but we also need depth. I think we get sucked into the 1 man show of McDavid but really he’s won nothing.

Look at who scores the big goals in the playoffs it’s usually the depth players when your stars go cold.

As much as we need stars we need a team. That’s what’s exciting right now because guys like Zary, Honzek, Pospisil are all stepping up. They don’t have to be stars we just need them to be really good NHL players. If they become stars even better.

That’s what’s exciting about this management team. They seem to have sold the message to the ownership to go young and rebuild.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Go back and look at recent trade history.

Chychrun -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Hamilton -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Hamonic -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Lindholm -> 1st + 2nd + 2nd + low end prospects

I have market history on my side.

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Now look at what players were taken with those pics and tell me how many qualify as fair value in a trade for Rasmus Andersson? For the record I think Shane Pinto is going to be at worst a 60 point C in this league. So would I rather Pinto and a 2nd then the LA package? All day.

[D as in David]

I think Andersson is Conroy's best shot at getting a young center with the potential to be a top 6C and would be looking for a trade that resembles the Lindholm trade but with a center returning instead of a D-man like Brz.

With the remaining extra year of the contract, Conroy can be patient.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

The Flames don't need a 60 point C, they need a 100 point C. Gimme the picks. As others have said, I think you can find your own Pinto with what we have in the system now.

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[Geeoff]

I think that any team looking to acquire Andersson at this point is not going to want to subtract important pieces from their roster and most likely picks and prospects are all that will be available

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah Andersson wants to go to a winner. Teams pushing to get in or established are not going to subtract a young C.

Andersson will be a futures trade with a potential prospect.

I’ll take the picks anyways. We don’t need a Pinto

[Monahammer]

I'd be looking hard at Detroit with andersson. Maybe LA. But I thin Detroit will definitely have to send down a centre like Kasper and maybe that makes him easier to include in an Andersson package.