2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'd be shocked if Hanifin re-signs for somewhere around $6M. IMO he's getting over $8M.

Zadorov could be locked up around $5M. I'd keep him and shop Hanfin at 50% retained and re-sign Zadorov. Return would be much better too.

Zadorov also brings things to the table the rest don't. Hanifin, Weegar, Rasmus are all similar in skills/size. None are elite PP dmen either, so I'd like to see 1 of the 3 dmen that are supposed to bring the offense out and then look for someone who actual brings it at a high level.

Draft forwards and use prospects to replace Lindholm and Toffoli.

I'd also be ok with changing Lindholm to Backlund too. Backlund is almost 34 and playing his best hockey. Sure, we could keep him for cheap after next deal but really 36-year old Backlund is only going to be good for so long. Trading Lindholm gets rid of any chance to compete next year anyways.

40 point d-men don’t get 8m unless you’re Edmonton.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628447336262430726

This makes too much sense for the Flames

I like this and it's probably more realistic to what we will see then all the discussion about massive trades that probably don't happen.

Just hope the Flames take advantage of their cap space more so than Minnesota did in the O'Rielly deal.

Get a 2nd from Boston then gets another pick retain salary flipping Smith out

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by mdubz

40 point d-men don’t get 8m unless you’re Edmonton.

Hanifin career high is the same as Werenski. Cap is higher now and could be much higher in 2 seasons. Everyone is dreaming if Hanifin is getting less than $8M

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I like this and it's probably more realistic to what we will see then all the discussion about massive trades that probably don't happen.

Just hope the Flames take advantage of their cap space more so than Minnesota did in the O'Rielly deal.

Get a 2nd from Boston then gets another pick retain salary flipping Smith out

I dont think you get a 2nd to take him on his 3M. if his salary was 5, then ya. Maybe a 4th, which would still be worth it. Retain 50% and flip him for another late pick.

That 2 draft picks that just cost money.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Cap space?
Have we LTIR'd kylington?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Cap space?
Have we LTIR'd kylington?

The Flames have $4 mil deadline space without LTIR Kylington.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Cap space?
Have we LTIR'd kylington?

As per cap friendly, we have 2.8m space. Retroactive it would be more (3.4M deadline space)

[Bonded]

Yeah. Seems like a lot of teams will be open to using their deadline space. Not sure Murray will pay real cash for a 4th round pick.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I dont think you get a 2nd to take him on his 3M. if his salary was 5, then ya. Maybe a 4th, which would still be worth it. Retain 50% and flip him for another late pick.

That 2 draft picks that just cost money.

I think they should be able to get more than a 4th. The Wild got a 4th for $1.87 cap. $3 mil has to be worth more and I think the Wild blew a chance to get more.

Boston could use a body too. Lewis back might be something they would be interested in.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah. Seems like a lot of teams will be open to using their deadline space. Not sure Murray will pay real cash for a 4th round pick.

I think with Smith there will be less teams wanting to help out the Bruins because his salary this season is $4.3 M. Minnesota was ok with O'Rielly but that was hardly any real cash. Teams like Arizona aren't willing to fork out money for picks if the real money is a lot.

Smith and a 2nd is reasonable due to his high salary.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah. Seems like a lot of teams will be open to using their deadline space. Not sure Murray will pay real cash for a 4th round pick.

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think with Smith there will be less teams wanting to help out the Bruins because his salary this season is $4.3 M. Minnesota was ok with O'Rielly but that was hardly any real cash. Teams like Arizona aren't willing to fork out money for picks if the real money is a lot.

Smith and a 2nd is reasonable due to his high salary.

But if you retain 50% and flip him again for a 5th. Then what are you paying, a week worth of salary? plus the 50%retained remainder, so like under 1M.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

QUOTE=Bonded;8608991]Yeah. Seems like a lot of teams will be open to using their deadline space. Not sure Murray will pay real cash for a 4th round pick.

But if you retain 50% and flip him again for a 5th. Then what are you paying, a week worth of salary? plus the 50%retained remainder, so like under 1M.[/QUOTE]

About 25% of the season is about $1 mil, 50% retained again is $500k.

$500k for a 4th might not be worth it for Arizona types

[dustygoon]

I like this Craig Smith idea. It has lump of coal vibes but that's what the locker room gets when they can't string together some good performances.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hanifin career high is the same as Werenski. Cap is higher now and could be much higher in 2 seasons. Everyone is dreaming if Hanifin is getting less than $8M

If he does he should get it from another team. I think Hanifin is overrated and Andersson covers a lot of his warts.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah. Seems like a lot of teams will be open to using their deadline space. Not sure Murray will pay real cash for a 4th round pick.

Murray hasn't been know for a penny pincher, if he is, we'd like the Coyotes.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If he does he should get it from another team. I think Hanifin is overrated and Andersson covers a lot of his warts.

This is why I have been suggesting to trade him for a year now. I was posting it all summer saying he is at his peak, he probably has no growth potential left and likely gets $8M+. I still think he should have been moved in the summer but of course Kylington situation probably blocked that.

Also, earlier there was tons of discussion on what it would take to get rid of Lucic. So many suggested a 1st maybe more yet now we are seeing cap being retained for a 4th. I get the deadline is different than start of the season but there are very few teams that can just take on cap yet all they are getting is a 4th? 5th? Seems like poors teams with cap space and not taking advantage of teams looking to dump players. If the Flames are patient the price for cap has to go up as less teams have cap available.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If he does he should get it from another team. I think Hanifin is overrated and Andersson covers a lot of his warts.

Also Werenski got that contract because the trend is to pay for potential. And I think both Columbus and Edmonton regret assuming those players would live up to a 9 million billing. Hanifin is not a 9 million defenseman now and not expected to become one. I don't even think he's a 7 million one.

He's still a good player and wouldn't mind keeping. but saying he gets at least 8 because Werenski I think lacks context. Nobody thinks he is going to become a franchise defenseman now, that's the only reason you pay that.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by saillias

Also Werenski got that contract because the trend is to pay for potential. And I think both Columbus and Edmonton regret assuming those players would live up to a 9 million billing. Hanifin is not a 9 million defenseman now and not expected to become one. I don't even think he's a 7 million one.

He's still a good player and wouldn't mind keeping. but saying he gets at least 8 because Werenski I think lacks context. Nobody thinks he is going to become a franchise defenseman now, that's the only reason you pay that.

But by the time Hanifin's deal kicks in the cap is likely 10% higher than when those guys and Jones signed. If you convert the cap % then to what it would be worth in a $86M cap its' over $10M now. Hanifin getting $8M seems very likely even if nobody on here thinks he is worth it.

[sureLoss]

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[traptor]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628519219360063488

https://twitter.com/user/status/1628519570314231808

"Until we have a better idea of where we're at"

I don't get this. 57 games in and a week away from deadline. We know where we're at. Team has nearly league worst goaltending, no elite producers, chemistry issues, can't fight from behind, is outside of playoffs and losing ground.